How Does the Real World View the Profoundly Deaf?

Agreed with you ,Holly, and that view is just so screwed up. I was raised orally and had good skills but I was treated like someone beneath by most hearing people wether it was the experts, family, peers or just strangers. Yes, there were some people who treated me as an equal but they were so few.

I was placed in a summer camp with severely low functioning children when I was a child despite my protests to go to a different camp where all of my hearing peers went.

I was mocked and bullied constantly even at one point I was moved to another class for my safety.

My teachers talked to me so slowly and so exaggerated as if I wasnt intelligent. They dumbed down their language with me but not with my hearing peers.

As a teenager, none of the boys would date me cuz I was the "deaf and dumb" girl. Some guys even told some of my hearing friends that it was too bad cuz I was so beautiful or attractive. How it was a waste. Geez! Thanks a lot!

As a young adult, I worked for an insurance company..none of my co workers made the effort to acknowledge me or to include me. I had to be the initator..even then, they would just smile at me with this silly smile and just constantly nod their heads whenever I talk with them. It was like their expressions were saying "hurry up and finish talking!"

Family gatherings, my brother and I were left out 90% of the time unless I demanded to be included.

The list goes on and on and I have great oral skills so what good did it do for me by being raised in an oral only environment? Nothing! Except that I can communicate with hearing people on a one-on one basis. Whooopie do!

When I learned ASL and the Deaf community, finally I felt like I belonged and felt a connection for the first time in my life and that was at the age of 28 years old.

Yes, I was treated like I was not as smart as my peers despite having good oral skills.

:jaw: OMG.........now I understand why you are so much more comfortable in the signing/Deaf world. Although I met the usual idiots whilst growing up (and still do) I never had to put up with anything like this from family, or even co workers for that matter. How could your own family leave you out at family gatherings!!!!! As for being put in with low functioning children, that defies logic. You say in another post that this was 25 years ago and things have changed now, well my school days were 45 years ago and I dam well hope things have changed!. When my deafness was diagnosed, at age 5, my parents were advised to put me in the local deaf school, which would have meant boarding in. However my mother took one look and said "no child of mine is going there" which may have seemed snobbish, but she had not been able to have children,, married 7 years before adopting me and no way was she parting with her precious daughter.
 
For me I always felt like I was never quite good enough. I was put in remedial courses, when in fact I was just fine - I just wasnt getting the information so I wasnt learning.

I remember once that I had put in to take the regular Algebra I course for the fall semester at my high school, well my dad is a teacher there. He picked up my fall schedule and noticed I had put in for Algebra I. He went running to the Algebra teacher and told him I was too dumb to be in the class and that he was removing me from the course WITHOUT my knowledge.

So he ran to the school guidance counselor, told her and he scratched out Algebra I and put me in Remedial Mathematics. Then he came home and told me what he had done - all of it without my permission or knowledge of what he had done. It was like he never expected much out of me so he put me in a remedial class. That was an indication that I wasnt 'good enough' to be normal.

Another experience is when my parents would not allow me to join athletics because 'you can't hear'. I had to beg and plead for years. Finally in the spring semester of 8th grade they allowed it. I didnt stay with basketball because the coach treated me as dumb so I left and went to track and field full time where I was treated as an equal and I blossomed. My parents were 'shocked' I made it to the state cross country meet two years in a row.

Then when it came time to apply for colleges- dad wanted me to go to junior college for two years then go to work because he didnt think I would be able to make it at a 4 year university and even if I did I probably wouldnt find a white collar job anyway.

I finally stood up and said - DAMMIT BOY (yeah I called him 'boy) Ive had my life orchestrated to what is convienient for you and Ive never done something for myself, and DAMMIT today is the fucking day Im going to do it!' I stormed out of the house and went and enrolled and moved on campus to a 4 year university. Sure I lost my car in the process but I didnt give a damn, I wasnt under daddys control anymore. Mom was glad and happy for me. For the first time I felt I had finally blossomed. I joined theatre, DJ'ed at the campus radio station, got a job at a fast food joint, I did everything, I was independent. I kept a 3.8 GPA and was on the Dean's List.

Mom underhandedly gave me my car back when she got the mid-term reports that I had done so well. I think she realized that being deaf had nothing to do with my ability to be normal or to live independently. It was a lightbulb moment for her.

Then of course I had a bit of an oopsie, finished out the spring semester with good grades then dropped out.

When I married my exh treated as if I truly were retarded. It was bad, I dont want to go into detail but I will tell you his parents came for a visit and he treated me so horrendously that I exscused myself to the bathroom to cry then said I didnt feel well then went to bed and cried myself to sleep. The next morning his dad told me I was a winner to lift me up and after that he treated me a little bit better but not much so I assume either one or both of his parents had a talk with him. But after his parents left it was right back to the same, but it compared to nothing to things he was doing behind my back. When I told him to leave he was a bit shocked, then finally enough was enough, I told him I did not want him back at all after he was caught filing a false police report. I didnt need that.

Then last week dad and I got into an argument, he finally came right out and told me I was the greatest dissappointment of his life. Needless to say that comment hurt but I shoved it to the back of my mind and kept going.

I think there are just some people out there that will never treat a deafie with any amount of respect regardless of how much you 'educate' them, others come around eventually, and others really do see you as an equal and not as a 5 year old pest.

Its sad to see how others who are in a similar situation to mine are treated and its sad that the world doesnt understand simply because they dont want to understand. They think they've got it all figured out.


Another :jaw: post........I have heard of hearing spouses being nasty to deaf spouses, but that says more about the lack of self esteem of the hearie than the deafie, some people always have to put others down to make themselves feel better. As for the fathers comment, well, that leaves me speechless.
 
:jaw: OMG.........now I understand why you are so much more comfortable in the signing/Deaf world. Although I met the usual idiots whilst growing up (and still do) I never had to put up with anything like this from family, or even co workers for that matter. How could your own family leave you out at family gatherings!!!!! As for being put in with low functioning children, that defies logic. You say in another post that this was 25 years ago and things have changed now, well my school days were 45 years ago and I dam well hope things have changed!. When my deafness was diagnosed, at age 5, my parents were advised to put me in the local deaf school, which would have meant boarding in. However my mother took one look and said "no child of mine is going there" which may have seemed snobbish, but she had not been able to have children,, married 7 years before adopting me and no way was she parting with her precious daughter.

Now, u know why among other reasons, that I strongly believe ALL deaf/hoh children should be exposed to sign language and the Deaf community as well as the hearing community.
 
You are quite right, Doug5. One can be learned without having the intelligence necessary to apply what they have learned. Rote memorization is not an indication of intelligence, or even of understanding. Memorizing of facts, and spewing them back without ever having processed the inforamtion to a degree where it is useful and sythesized is not intelligence.

Intelligence is shown by taking what you know and applying it appropriately and in new and creative ways, and seeing the connections that others miss.

couldnt have said it any better myself
 
My point exactly! Its not that they didn't have the ability, its that they weren't given the opportunity.

it makes me sad thinking how miserable life was a lot of the deaf in the past. So many lives wasted.
 
I think if my dad had put forth a little bit of effort to LEARN instead of ASSUMING everything, things would be better.

Raykat - Ive never had a decent relationship with my dad. I honestly believe that he wanted 2 sons. Well what he got was a son and tomboyish daughter. I dont think Ive ever met his expectations of what I should have been. After he made that final comment - Ive completely shut him out for good. I say as little as I can get by with. I dont acknowledge him when he's in the room.

I have a friend staying over with me tonight as she cant get home due to the floods, and she asked me if my dad and I had a fight - I said no he just treats me that way. Then she gave me a shocked look. I said I dont give a rats ass anyway, why should I?

Sometimes I envy those who can have a relationship with their dads, but its probably better this way anyway.
 
Dixie and Shel, those revelations were truly heart-rending!! Bless you both!
 
I think if my dad had put forth a little bit of effort to LEARN instead of ASSUMING everything, things would be better.

Raykat - Ive never had a decent relationship with my dad. I honestly believe that he wanted 2 sons. Well what he got was a son and tomboyish daughter. I dont think Ive ever met his expectations of what I should have been. After he made that final comment - Ive completely shut him out for good. I say as little as I can get by with. I dont acknowledge him when he's in the room.

I have a friend staying over with me tonight as she cant get home due to the floods, and she asked me if my dad and I had a fight - I said no he just treats me that way. Then she gave me a shocked look. I said I dont give a rats ass anyway, why should I?

Sometimes I envy those who can have a relationship with their dads, but its probably better this way anyway.

It is just so sad that many families have these problems, whether hearing or deaf. Makes me glad that I have such a good relationship with my boys. The main thing Dixie, is that you not let it turn you bitter, just hold your head up high and know that you have nothing to be ashamed of.
 
Ha, Ive been ashamed for too damn long, its shown me I need to get out of here and go find my life, not someone else's. It's high time.

If that means not speaking to my father ever again, then so be it. I can't go around being jealous, its acceptance for what it is. I don't need his approval to be me. I dont need his reassurance to dream. I just need to get on with my life.
 
Hi Dixie,
Your dad's the one at fault, not you. And good on you for standing up and taking a chance on creating the life that suits you.

Go out and meet deaf people or even go to a deaf church, if they have. :)

It seems that men doesn't always accept a child with disability easily. Which is a shame.
 
The answer to "how does mainstream society view the profoundly deaf" is exactly the same as the answer to "how does the deaf community feel about CIs"?

There is no consensus. There is no one Borg-like hearing culture. Some people will be open-minded, others won't. Some people will be ignorant and cruel because of it; some people are ignorant yet admit their ignorance and are open to learning. Generalizations are unhelpful because you may go into a situation with a chip on your shoulder when it is not necessary at all.
 
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