How Can You Love God and Hate Someone ?

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800poundgorilla said:
Deal first with the facts you have been given, most importantly in the areas of loving your neighbor and praying for your enemy, turning the other cheek.
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As you know, those terms are from the Sermon on the Mount, which is the Lord preaching about His future kingdom during the Millenium.

21 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment: 22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire. 23 Therefore if thou bring thy gift to the altar, and there rememberest that thy brother hath ought against thee; 24 Leave there thy gift before the altar, and go thy way; first be reconciled to thy brother, and then come and offer thy gift. 25 Agree with thine adversary quickly, whiles thou art in the way with him; lest at any time the adversary deliver thee to the judge, and the judge deliver thee to the officer, and thou be cast into prison. 26 Verily I say unto thee, Thou shalt by no means come out thence, till thou hast paid the uttermost farthing.

27 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery: 28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart. 29 And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell. 30 And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell. 31 It hath been said, Whosoever shall put away his wife, let him give her a writing of divorcement: 32 But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.

33 Again, ye have heard that it hath been said by them of old time, Thou shalt not forswear thyself, but shalt perform unto the Lord thine oaths: 34 But I say unto you, Swear not at all; neither by heaven; for it is God's throne: 35 Nor by the earth; for it is his footstool: neither by Jerusalem; for it is the city of the great King. 36 Neither shalt thou swear by thy head, because thou canst not make one hair white or black. 37 But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil.

38 Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth: 39 But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also. 40 And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let him have thy cloke also. 41 And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, go with him twain. 42 Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away.

43 Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy. 44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; 45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust. 46 For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same? 47 And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so? 48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

The Lord showed us His standard for living to prove that in our own strength, we can't do it. We need the power of the Holy Spirit internally to even approach this standard. But even then our weak flesh fails us in this world of sin.

You can't ignore the rest of the sermon. If the requirements of the sermon are for people living now, do you also follow this part:

29 And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell. 30 And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.


I wonder why you never quote these verses:

Luke 22
36 Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.

Joel 3
10 Beat your plowshares into swords, and your pruninghooks into spears: let the weak say, I am strong.

Matthew 10
34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.



Out of context? Exactly--that's my point.


So really, why are you bothering to ask further questions that you have no interest in hearing what the truth is?
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Why can't you answer my questions? If you are truly interested in sharing what you believe is the truth, why do you keep it to yourself? If even if you think that I "have no interest in hearing what the truth is", surely you would want others to benefit from it.

Or do you have no good answers?
 
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Reba said:
No, that is NOT happening now. This verse refers to the Millenial rule of Christ that happens after the Tribulation, which happens after the Rapture.

Isaiah 2
4 And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.
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Over six million have and continue to not kill their fellowman. This is worldwide. Your reasoning is just awful, I have in my life read never read as much bunk as you write. The scary thing is, you seem to believe it.
 
800poundgorilla said:
Over six million have and continue to not kill their fellowman. This is worldwide. Your reasoning is just awful, I have in my life read never read as much bunk as you write. The scary thing is, you seem to believe it.
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According to the verse that you use:

Isaiah 2
4 And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.

This means that no nations are warring against any other nations. Has that happened yet? NO!

It has not yet happened, and will not happen until the Milleniel kingdom of Christ.

It's interesting how the more tightly you are cornered, the more personal become the attacks.

I find that God's Truth works even better than a Kevlar vest with a Teflon coating. :P
 
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