Homework from my son's

It's true that some innocent kids have beautiful attitudes. Some posts here have suggested that we may damage that innocence and those attitudes by introducing literature that exposes them to racism.

I agree about the innocence: that will be lost. But the attitudes, I think if the educational process is handled well, can stay positive and even grow in a healthy way.

And I think it's important to make an effort to expose kids to these ideas in an environment where the ideas can be discussed and analyzed under the guidance of a well-adusted adult trained in educating young people.

I say this because they *will*, at some point, be exposed to these attitudes, one way or another. Racism is still out there. There are plenty of people running around with horrible, hateful, hurtful ways of thinking. And they are very willing to express their ideas. And they base their behavior on these ideas.

Some of these people are aggressive, some have powerful and sophisticated ways of interacting socially. (Note: powerful and sophisticated does not necessarily mean good or healthy.) When your kids come into contact with these kinds of people, I hope they have a solid sense of what they're dealing with, and how to stay strong in their understanding of the world, and are able to stand by their convictions.

What resources do they need in order to do this?

I think that seeing these ideas for what they are, understanding that they exist and learning something about where they come from, even how they work in the mind of a person engaging in them, these pieces of learning will serve them well as they go through life. They will give them something to draw from when faced with some of the uglier parts of life.

I do not think 5th grade is too early. I would be equally worried about starting too late. I would rather the teacher reach them and give them this part of their education before the day they need it. And I don't know when that day will come for each person.

Another thing. I've said that racism still exists. But even if it didn't. Even if today we were able to wave a wand and erradicate all racist attitudes and behavior from the world, would everything be fine? I think it wouldn't. Because people have lived under the abuses of racism for too long, and it has affected them deeply. If we are to be truly good, kind, understanding, and people of depth, we should try to understand the effects racism has on people subected to it. It is our responsitiblity to learn what racism is, its history, and how it affects people, both the people seen as "less than" and the people doing the seeing as well. That makes us better people, when we learn and understand these things deeply. It makes us more capable of being compassionate and kind members of society.

And it's not just racism. I could say the exact same thing about any of the isms. Because of audism, I think people should learn about Deaf culture and history. Because of sexism, I think people should learn about the women's rights movement. Lots of groups have been marginalized and abused in our world. The menatlly ill, the poor, the disabled, people who are neurologically atypical, people who are oriented differently with regard to sexual preference or identity - the list goes on and on. I think they all deserve as much consideration as we're able to give. And that means equipping ourselves (and our children) with knowledge and understanding as best we can.

I agree. I am SURPRISED that he came to me, and expressed his feeling to me. " wtf, it does not make sense, look at this" I read it and i knew what He meant but I refused to mention it. He said, " did you see that part???? with finger points at the small articiles? I said, " yes, that is how you feel about this one, that does not make sense to you then let teacher know so you can discuss from there either private or in public with classroom." I am so amazed that he said, " white.... black.. wtf. they could have said, kids rather than using the colored kids. I am damn proud of my kid. ;)
 
:wave:Amylynne, really liked your post-

Frisky, I think it really means something about you as a person and as a mom, that your son came to to ask about these things. I think you coudl both be proud of each other:D
 
:wave:Amylynne, really liked your post-

Thanks dogmom! :wave:

When I write something like that, half the time I change my mind and decide not to post it. The other half, I post it and then hold my breath:0
 
It's true that some innocent kids have beautiful attitudes. Some posts here have suggested that we may damage that innocence and those attitudes by introducing literature that exposes them to racism.

I agree about the innocence: that will be lost. But the attitudes, I think if the educational process is handled well, can stay positive and even grow in a healthy way.

And I think it's important to make an effort to expose kids to these ideas in an environment where the ideas can be discussed and analyzed under the guidance of a well-adusted adult trained in educating young people.

I say this because they *will*, at some point, be exposed to these attitudes, one way or another. Racism is still out there. There are plenty of people running around with horrible, hateful, hurtful ways of thinking. And they are very willing to express their ideas. And they base their behavior on these ideas.

Some of these people are aggressive, some have powerful and sophisticated ways of interacting socially. (Note: powerful and sophisticated does not necessarily mean good or healthy.) When your kids come into contact with these kinds of people, I hope they have a solid sense of what they're dealing with, and how to stay strong in their understanding of the world, and are able to stand by their convictions.

What resources do they need in order to do this?

I think that seeing these ideas for what they are, understanding that they exist and learning something about where they come from, even how they work in the mind of a person engaging in them, these pieces of learning will serve them well as they go through life. They will give them something to draw from when faced with some of the uglier parts of life.

I do not think 5th grade is too early. I would be equally worried about starting too late. I would rather the teacher reach them and give them this part of their education before the day they need it. And I don't know when that day will come for each person.

Another thing. I've said that racism still exists. But even if it didn't. Even if today we were able to wave a wand and erradicate all racist attitudes and behavior from the world, would everything be fine? I think it wouldn't. Because people have lived under the abuses of racism for too long, and it has affected them deeply. If we are to be truly good, kind, understanding, and people of depth, we should try to understand the effects racism has on people subected to it. It is our responsitiblity to learn what racism is, its history, and how it affects people, both the people seen as "less than" and the people doing the seeing as well. That makes us better people, when we learn and understand these things deeply. It makes us more capable of being compassionate and kind members of society.

And it's not just racism. I could say the exact same thing about any of the isms. Because of audism, I think people should learn about Deaf culture and history. Because of sexism, I think people should learn about the women's rights movement. Lots of groups have been marginalized and abused in our world. The menatlly ill, the poor, the disabled, people who are neurologically atypical, people who are oriented differently with regard to sexual preference or identity - the list goes on and on. I think they all deserve as much consideration as we're able to give. And that means equipping ourselves (and our children) with knowledge and understanding as best we can.



I personally would not want a teacher to teach my child about this as I have no idea what their views are . Look at teacher that told my daughter class all tall Black men made good basketball players. I hate to think what this teacher told the class about other ethnicities or race.
 
I personally would not want a teacher to teach my child about this as I have no idea what their views are . Look at teacher that told my daughter class all tall Black men made good basketball players. I hate to think what this teacher told the class about other ethnicities or race.

That teacher needs to be removed from his post. Or at a minimum, retrained.
 
I agree. I am SURPRISED that he came to me, and expressed his feeling to me. " wtf, it does not make sense, look at this" I read it and i knew what He meant but I refused to mention it. He said, " did you see that part???? with finger points at the small articiles? I said, " yes, that is how you feel about this one, that does not make sense to you then let teacher know so you can discuss from there either private or in public with classroom." I am so amazed that he said, " white.... black.. wtf. they could have said, kids rather than using the colored kids. I am damn proud of my kid. ;)

I think it is more of analyzing why those words were used in those times and teach children to dig deeper and form questions about what they have read instead of just accepting whatever is written. The CSS encourages children to begin disputing or juatify the authors' perspectives.
 
I thought he was in 5th grade?

Yes he is in 5th grade. He attends to the middle school.

Our hometown for school district,

kind to 4th grade at elementary.

5th grade to 8th grade are at the middle school

9th grade to 12 grade at at the high school.
 
our local schools are for elementary from Kind to grade 4. Then middle school from grade 5 to 8. High school from grade 9 to 12.

I know some towns have grade 5 which is in elementary. But not my hometown.
They mix 5th graders with 8th graders? That's a wide age and maturity range. Little kids and teens together? I wouldn't expect that.
 
They mix 5th graders with 8th graders? That's a wide age and maturity range. Little kids and teens together? I wouldn't expect that.

Yeah My kids love it. I am told that 5th grade and 6th grade have similiar schedules together while 7th grade and 8th grade are simliar schedule together that don't go cross between 5th and 6th to 7th and 8th. My girl who is in 7th grade that she almost never saw my boy around at school . :lol:
 
They mix 5th graders with 8th graders? That's a wide age and maturity range. Little kids and teens together? I wouldn't expect that.

I can't find it as an exact breakdown — probably not using the right terms in Google. But I do remember a wider age range here in the same building but different wings of that building.
 
Yeah My kids love it. I am told that 5th grade and 6th grade have similiar schedules together while 7th grade and 8th grade are simliar schedule together that don't go cross between 5th and 6th to 7th and 8th. My girl who is in 7th grade that she almost never saw my boy around at school . :lol:
I'm glad they keep them separated by age. Little kids need a chance to live as little kids. :)
 
I'm glad they keep them separated by age. Little kids need a chance to live as little kids. :)

Ha, i understand. My boy was in 4th grade. he couldnt stand kind thru 3th grade. He complained to me a lot. Now he stopped complaining.

5th and 6th grade do have recess which they can go out to play or in the gym. For 7th and8 th grade, they have recesses only for study room such as doing homework or follow up with teachers and some special lessons.
 
... For 7th and8 th grade, they have recesses only for study room such as doing homework or follow up with teachers and some special lessons.
That doesn't sound like a fun recess. :(
 
That doesn't sound like a fun recess. :(

Yes they all have some break for a few minutes or something. They do have lot of fun actitivies for projects.

my girl likes her schedule very much. Cool. There have programs/actitivies after school. Thats GOOD.
 
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