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I lived in mexico on the border... my ex and kids are mexican. We went thru the citizenship process.
I've been around it. Plenty of experience. they abuse the system. very many criminals. killer types wandering around freely. it's also what gives the cartels freedom to operate here. growers in the mountains running freely. smugglers in all states running freely. sure, they should legalize dope to take away their power... but that ain't enough. If ya ain't here legally then tough fawkin noogies... get the fuck out.

Jiro said:
because in America - we are all presumed innocent until proven guilty. do you want America to be a police state? gestapo? I guess you don't mind police checkpoints everywhere and having to prove your immigration status on daily basis?

anybody in America is automatically assumed that they're in this country legally. if you get caught, you will be investigated and eventually found to be an illegal and you will either get deported back or imprisoned for crime you've committed such as murder.

people come to America illegally to work. in order to live in here, you'll need a job. in order to get a job, you need to submit your social security number and some documentations. without proper documentations, you cannot get a job. simple as that.

and of course.... the problem is, some employers knowingly employed illegals and paid them under the table. and another problem is some illegals were able to obtain legal documents to work. those problems are the cheapest and easiest to tackle if we focus our assets and laws on it..... not building fences or whining to federal government to deport them when they just keep coming back.

why should we keep wasting $23,480 per person to deport them when they just keep coming back? building a fence won't help either since they'll just either build a longer ladder or underground tunnel or a hole in fence. they keep coming back because there is a bunch of employers out there willing to pay them.
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Waterboy said:
So you do think the American government should be more like the Mexican government.

I don't see anyone complaining but some American that all have a couple of things in common.
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Didn't say that. Just noting the disparity.
 
kokonut said:
Didn't say that. Just noting the disparity.
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Disparity in what? The difference between the way two completely different governments handle something? That isn't disparity. That is just the difference between two different governments.
 
dis·par·i·ty (d-spr-t)
n. pl. dis·par·i·ties
1. The condition or fact of being unequal, as in age, rank, or degree; difference: "narrow the economic disparities among regions and industries" (Courtenay Slater).
2. Unlikeness; incongruity.

disparity - definition of disparity by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.

There is a disparity in the American justice system in the way whites, Blacks, and other minorities are charged and sentenced. There is a disparity in the pay for women and minorities compared to white males.

There is a difference in the way two different countries handle the fact of illegal immigration.

For it to be a disparity, it has to happen in the same country between different classes of people.
 
Can you show me the pervasiveness of illegals living in Mexico's cities and towns, working in the fields, the factories, and different businesses?
 
Again, there's a disparity between the two countries. Can't see it?

*shrug*
 
kokonut said:
Can you show me the pervasiveness of illegals living in Mexico's cities and towns, working in the fields, the factories, and different businesses?
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You are the one that brought up the way illegals were handled in Mexico. I really don't care one way or the other. It doesn't have anything to do with immigration here.
 
kokonut said:
Again, there's a disparity between the two countries. Can't see it?

*shrug*
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No. Because there is a difference between the two countries. Mexico and America do not have the same laws or government that is supposed to apply to all people in the same.
 
Waterboy said:
You are the one that brought up the way illegals were handled in Mexico. I really don't care one way or the other. It doesn't have anything to do with immigration here.
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Sure it does. It's called hypocrisy.
 
Waterboy said:
No. Because there is a difference between the two countries. Mexico and America do not have the same laws or government that is supposed to apply to all people in the same.
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:lol:

I am seeing the disparity between the public's desire on seeing more control of illegal immigration and the actions of lawmakers (eg Arizona vs Administration) as compared to the difference on what Mexico has done to control their illegal immigration in their country. You don't see Mexico as having a pervasive illegal aliens problem, do you?
 
Waterboy said:
How so? Two different goverments. Two different situations.
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Simple. Let me explain to you. Mexico's deals with illegal immigration much more harshly, it's a veritable police state where you can't go for a 1000 mile round trip into Mexico without getting stopped 20 times and get you and your car searched. Yet and the same time the Mexico's govt gives their blessings to see that their own citizens cross into the U.S. as illegal aliens. After all, Mexico gets billions of dollars from illegal aliens in the U.S. sent to their families living in Mexico. That's the hypocrisy.
 
kokonut said:
:lol:

I am seeing the disparity between the public's desire on seeing more control of illegal immigration and the actions of lawmakers (eg Arizona vs Administration) as compared to the difference on what Mexico has done to control their illegal immigration in their country. You don't see Mexico as having a pervasive illegal aliens problem, do you?
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There are a lot of reasons that Mexico doesn't have a problem with illegal immigration. No one wants to go there. They are all trying to get somewhere else.:D

There is a disparity in what some people want to see done with illegal immigrants and what the law allows in this country. Mexicans aren't the only people here illegally you know.
 
kokonut said:
Simple. Let me explain to you. Mexico's deals with illegal immigration much more harshly, it's a veritable police state where you can't go for a 1000 mile round trip into Mexico without getting stopped 20 times and get you and your car searched. Yet and the same time the Mexico's govt gives their blessings to see that their own citizens cross into the U.S. as illegal aliens. After all, Mexico gets billions of dollars from illegal aliens in the U.S. sent to their families living in Mexico. That's the hypocrisy.
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They give their blessings? Then why do people have to be smuggled out?

Billions of dollars? From itinerant farm workers and under the table construction crews? :laugh2:
 
It is estimated that worldwide remittances amount to more than $126 billion. Remittances have become a considerable force in the economy of many countries. Among the countries that receive the most in remittances are Mexico, the Philippines and India. Last year Mexico received more than $17 billion in remittances. The amount of remittances in Mexico exceeds the amount of foreign direct investment in the country. This is not surprising given that a significant portion of Hispanics in the United States are of Mexican descent. Other Latin American countries like El Salvador are popular destinations for remittances. In 2005 approximately $2.5 billion was sent to El Salvador. The amount represented more than 13% of El Salvador’s GDP, or gross domestic product. It is estimated that Latin Americans residing in the United States send $30 billion dollars to their native countries.
http://charlotte.questionfish.com/a...liens-send-back-their-native-mexico-each-year


These numbers are for illegal and legal immigrants. Reduce it to just illegal immigrants, and the numbers go way down. Illegal immigrants just don't have a lot of ability to make huge amounts of money to send home. But it is well known that many legal immigrants to this country send money to their families in other countries. That is where the bulk of the money is coming from.
 
Waterboy said:
There are a lot of reasons that Mexico doesn't have a problem with illegal immigration. No one wants to go there. They are all trying to get somewhere else.:D

There is a disparity in what some people want to see done with illegal immigrants and what the law allows in this country. Mexicans aren't the only people here illegally you know.
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That'd be incorrect. If you look at Mexico's own border issue down on their southern border you can see illegal aliens trying to get into Mexico's southern end for a better opportunity in Mexico.

Which is why I use the term "Illegal Aliens." I assigned no race or ethnic description other than we have an illegal alien problems with our southern borders.
 
Waterboy said:
They give their blessings? Then why do people have to be smuggled out?

Billions of dollars? From itinerant farm workers and under the table construction crews? :laugh2:
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Smuggled out? So they won't get caught by the border guards. What else?

Yes, billions of dollars.
http://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/files/cbofiles/ftpdocs/63xx/doc6366/05-19-remittances.pdf

CDCU Launches “Remittance Corridor” with Federal Reserve, Mexican Consulate

Remittance-Senders (Mostly Illegals) Ship $25 Billion a Year Out of the U.S. | Center for Immigration Studies

Don't laugh.
 
 
kokonut said:
Smuggled out? So they won't get caught by the border guards. What else?

Yes, billions of dollars.
http://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/files/cbofiles/ftpdocs/63xx/doc6366/05-19-remittances.pdf

CDCU Launches “Remittance Corridor” with Federal Reserve, Mexican Consulate

Remittance-Senders (Mostly Illegals) Ship $25 Billion a Year Out of the U.S. | Center for Immigration Studies

Don't laugh.
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Money sent "overseas" is hardly going into Mexico. Unless there is an ocean at the border I don't know about.:D
 
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