Hearing parents of deaf children...take notice!

jillio said:
I really disagree with that particular finding. That is exactly why I want to do a replication, but using instruments of my choice to assess and my operational definition of "social adjustment". That is just totally contrary to what we see from a clinical perspective. They may function an insigniificant amount better than say, a deaf student with HA and a terp in the mainstream, but it is my belief that they will function even better in a deaf setting. I think these results are dependent upon the fact that the CI users they had as participants had generally been raised and educated in an oral only environment and therefore, there was no comparison base for them.
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From Washington University School of Medicine??? Oh brother. I remember being a test subject in one of their "researches" and they deliberately ignored results which would cast doubt on any of their findings. And I am sure they relied heavily on graduate histories of students from CID, a blatantly oral school. :roll:
 
jillio said:
The only thing that has been holding me back is the monumental nature of such an undertaking. But I really need to quit worrying about that and get my butt in gear. So what is a year or more devoted to a research project when it is the deaf kids that are still suffering based on misinformation.
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Get started already! Now where's that whip smiley when I need it?
 
jillio said:
I really disagree with that particular finding. That is exactly why I want to do a replication, but using instruments of my choice to assess and my operational definition of "social adjustment". That is just totally contrary to what we see from a clinical perspective. They may function an insigniificant amount better than say, a deaf student with HA and a terp in the mainstream, but it is my belief that they will function even better in a deaf setting. I think these results are dependent upon the fact that the CI users they had as participants had generally been raised and educated in an oral only environment and therefore, there was no comparison base for them.
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Agreed. Unfortunately, the CI industry is promoting the message that deaf kids who get CIs are happier and more well adjusted while completely ignoring the fact that deaf kids in deaf schools can also be as happy and as adjusted. That's my beef, far more so than parents who implant their babies because at least the parents are doing so with the very best of intentions and true desire to want their kids to be happy and would do so even if it would mean re-mortgaging their house or selling off what they had to get those operations (whether I agree with them or not), whereas the CI industry is doing it for money.
 
Beowulf said:
From Washington University School of Medicine??? Oh brother. I remember being a test subject in one of their "researches" and they deliberately ignored results which would cast doubt on any of their findings. And I am sure they relied heavily on graduate histories of students from CID, a blatantly oral school. :roll:
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The study was SOOOOOO biased! At the beginning of the paper, it acknowledges that deaf kids in deaf schools are as adjusted as hearing kids in hearing schools then ignores this fact for the rest of the paper - just focused on how happy CI kids in mainstreamed schools. That pissed me off - that blatant dismissive attitude.
 
DeafCaroline said:
Agreed. Unfortunately, the CI industry is promoting the message that deaf kids who get CIs are happier and more well adjusted while completely ignoring the fact that deaf kids in deaf schools can also be as happy and as adjusted. That's my beef, far more so than parents who implant their babies because at least the parents are doing so with the very best of intentions and true desire to want their kids to be happy and would do so even if it would mean re-mortgaging their house or selling off what they had to get those operations (whether I agree with them or not), whereas the CI industry is doing it for money.
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We are definately of like mind.. And I find those that deny the financial motive in the implant industry to be either terribly naive or plain dishonest, one of the two.
 
DeafCaroline said:
The study was SOOOOOO biased! At the beginning of the paper, it acknowledges that deaf kids in deaf schools are as adjusted as hearing kids in hearing schools then ignores this fact for the rest of the paper - just focused on how happy CI kids in mainstreamed schools. That pissed me off - that blatant dismissive attitude.
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And people who do not know how to evaluate research actually give credence to crap like this. It is, in reality, no more valid than anecdote.
 
jillio said:
I have been thinking for some time about a research project comparing the expeiriences of deaf kids in Deaf schools, and those in mainstream schools. I would like to do a 4 x 4 with one of the experimental groups focused on CI users. Wonder if we could write a grant to make this a interstate project?
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I'd love to work with you on this, seriously. Now that budget cuts are becoming really scary to the point that our deaf kids are at stake, it's now or never in regards to showing what is really happening in deaf education.
 
deafbajagal said:
I'd love to work with you on this, seriously. Now that budget cuts are becoming really scary to the point that our deaf kids are at stake, it's now or never in regards to showing what is really happening in deaf education.
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I would love to work with you on this as well. I am just not sure how to get started.
 
DeafCaroline said:
Agreed. Unfortunately, the CI industry is promoting the message that deaf kids who get CIs are happier and more well adjusted while completely ignoring the fact that deaf kids in deaf schools can also be as happy and as adjusted. That's my beef, far more so than parents who implant their babies because at least the parents are doing so with the very best of intentions and true desire to want their kids to be happy and would do so even if it would mean re-mortgaging their house or selling off what they had to get those operations (whether I agree with them or not), whereas the CI industry is doing it for money.
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DeafCaroline and jillo, they're ALSO missing that tons and tons of just hoh (audilogically hoh) kids also have major major social emoitonal stuff.
I am SO with you....they are SO biased. It's basicly the same crap I saw at the Clarke Mainstream conference. Yes, there are kids who do well socially and academicly........but I honestly think most researchers and experts have completely forgotten how horrible middle and high school can be, espeically if you're "different."
In other words, they're saying that while the deaf oral implanted kids aren't as isolated as say...a voice off kid, or a kid with enviromental awareness of noise or can only hear a low percentage of speech with an aid, they are still struggling. HH kids still have MAJOR MAJOR MAJOR issues in the mainstream and hearing world.
 
deafdyke said:
DeafCaroline and jillo, they're ALSO missing that tons and tons of just hoh (audilogically hoh) kids also have major major social emoitonal stuff.
I am SO with you....they are SO biased. It's basicly the same crap I saw at the Clarke Mainstream conference. Yes, there are kids who do well socially and academicly........but I honestly think most researchers and experts have completely forgotten how horrible middle and high school can be, espeically if you're "different."
In other words, they're saying that while the deaf oral implanted kids aren't as isolated as say...a voice off kid, or a kid with enviromental awareness of noise or can only hear a low percentage of speech with an aid, they are still struggling. HH kids still have MAJOR MAJOR MAJOR issues in the mainstream and hearing world.
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Actually, the paper did elaborate on how HOH/deaf (not including CIs) kids in mainstream settings have the lowest self-esteems. They use this as basis for their statement that CIs will make deaf kids more well adjusted in mainstream settings and "have a better quality of life".
 
DeafCaroline said:
Actually, the paper did elaborate on how HOH/deaf (not including CIs) kids in mainstream settings have the lowest self-esteems. They use this as basis for their statement that CIs will make deaf kids more well adjusted in mainstream settings and "have a better quality of life".
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I don't think CIs by themselves will solve that problem. :/
 
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