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Originally Posted by Steinhauer
I think its odd how the Democrats have fought so hard for a woman's right to choose for the past 30 years in the abortion debate, yet they will not let you choose to have healthcare ... or not.

My reply:

You have a choice of whether or not to have health care. Don't want health care? Don't go to the doctor.
 
jillio said:
Why would you not have insurance when it is made affordable and available? Do you have insurance now?
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No no, I just want to understand what it is about. It's not about me. Sorry for the confusion.
 
jillio said:
And it isn't a requirement to receive health care. You are the one that left out insurance. I simply corrected the error that you made.:cool2:
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not to pick nits, but I actually corrected that error.

You did not. You jumped on the bandwagon about how health care was not a requirement - but conveniently LEFT OUT insurance.

You have yet admitted to this being REQUIRED.

Your spin may work well on your students but it does not fly with me.
 
jillio said:
Why would you not have insurance when it is made affordable and available? Do you have insurance now?
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Define affordable.....

What range will premiums for avg plans, for avg people who make too much sor subsidies be? Ballpark range?
 
Steinhauer said:
It is now required to have health insurance with exemptions for those who can prove they cannot afford it.

Those who cannot afford it will get medicaid. Those who are in a tax bracket that the government feels they CAN afford health insurance, but do not have insurance, will be fined and/or imprisoned.

That means, if you earn enough, but your debt is high and you cannot afford health insurance, you will be fined or put in jail.
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factual.
 
Steinhauer said:
It is now required to have health insurance with exemptions for those who can prove they cannot afford it.

Those who cannot afford it will get medicaid. Those who are in a tax bracket that the government feels they CAN afford health insurance, but do not have insurance, will be fined and/or imprisoned.

That means, if you earn enough, but your debt is high and you cannot afford health insurance, you will be fined or put in jail.
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If your debt is high, it is no one's responsibility but your own.:cool2:

And that has virtually nothing to do with health care reform.
 
jillio said:
Originally Posted by Steinhauer
I think its odd how the Democrats have fought so hard for a woman's right to choose for the past 30 years in the abortion debate, yet they will not let you choose to have healthcare ... or not.

My reply:

You have a choice of whether or not to have health care. Don't want health care? Don't go to the doctor.
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That is NOT a correction.
 
jillio said:
If your debt is high, it is no one's responsibility but your own.:cool2:

And that has virtually nothing to do with health care reform.
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Yes it does. It has everything to do with healthcare reform.

Millions of Americans are infected with debt. And the debt keeps piling on.
 
TXgolfer said:
Define affordable.....

What range will premiums for avg plans, for avg people who make too much sor subsidies be? Ballpark range?
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Depends. What are you assuming is average? What kind of coverage? What salary bracket? How much deductable? Perferred provider or fee for service? What area of the country?
 
Steinhauer said:
That is NOT a correction.
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Well maybe not in your mind, but you made an incorrect statement, and I made a correct statement. No one is forced to have health care. Everyone has a choice of whether or not to receive health care.

Perhaps you should be a bit more clear in your wording.
 
jillio said:
Depends. What are you assuming is average? What kind of coverage? What salary bracket? How much deductable? Perferred provider or fee for service? What area of the country?
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$60,000/year middle of the road coverage in Ohio
 
Steinhauer said:
Yes it does. It has everything to do with healthcare reform.

Millions of Americans are infected with debt. And the debt keeps piling on.
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And millions of Americans are responsible for their debt. It is the American way. Spend what you don't have.
 
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