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JennyB said:
This is one of my thoughts as a future career, though I would be more interested in working with Deaf-plus or Deaf and disabled kids.
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What does "Deaf-plus" mean?
 
CJB said:
What does "Deaf-plus" mean?
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CP, blindness, autism, Down's syndrome...

There's also "vanilla deaf" meaning someone who is just deaf without any additional "disability" or complications since they are seen as "rare" in the education field.
 
JennyB said:
This is one of my thoughts as a future career, though I would be more interested in working with Deaf-plus or Deaf and disabled kids.
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As an advocate, I need to educate and empower you about the "Deaf-Plus" word.

Please do not use this word anymore as it is very offensive to both me and the general Deaf community that has some disabilities.

We do not see the general community such as the hearing people being called "Hearing-Plus" so this is why we encourage other people to refrain from using "Deaf-Plus".

It is unfortunately the system decided to mislabel the Deaf person with CP, blindness, learning disorders as "Deaf-Plus". This is very self-depreciating and allows others to look down at the individual.

Feedback for you..

Proper approach - "Mrs Bucket is DeafBlind."

Wrong approach - "Mrs Bucket is Deaf-Plus."

See the difference between those two? This is where we have to learn more about the individual who's Deaf and has an additional disability. We cannot mislabel the Deaf individual as the individual already has a label. We need to ask him/herself who he/she is.

Hope this helps, smile.

Remember I live near you & we can get together and put our advocating minds together! :wave:
 
Mrs Bucket said:
I encourage you, faire jour, to really rein in that temper if you want to become a teacher. I just notice how quick you are to defend MissKat and her education yet you are too quick to jump to assumptions. Be careful there. A well educated student pursuing a teaching career would invest energy well. I wish you well.
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What's wrong with her defending her own daughter? I defend both of my sons when it comes to education too. Isn't it important to get involved with your children's education? I don't see how discussing about her daughter has anything to do with her wanting to become a teacher of the deaf.

And speaking of "temper" Everyone loses their temper even children, parents, teachers, students, boyfriend, girlfriend, husband, wife, Law officers, civilians list goes on. No matter what the situation is or who is right or wrong there is always a breaking point where there will be confrontation. It's part of being human. :dunno:
 
Cheri said:
What's wrong with her defending her own daughter? I defend both of my sons when it comes to education too. Isn't it important to get involved with your children's education? I don't see how discussing about her daughter has anything to do with her wanting to become a teacher of the deaf.

And speaking of "temper" Everyone loses their temper even children, parents, teachers, students, boyfriend, girlfriend, husband, wife, Law officers, civilians list goes on. No matter what the situation is or who is right or wrong there is always a breaking point where there will be confrontation. It's part of being human. :dunno:
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Boundaries. The word is important when one wants to become a teacher.

Professionalism is very vital. If a teacher meddles personal affairs with her professional career, she is better off not being a teacher.

Discussing her daughter was only an example of how quick she loses her temper. Remember, faire_jour opened the door of discussing why she wanted to be a teacher because her daughter's teacher suggested it.

It's not often faire_jour uses her daughter as a topic of discussion.

A teacher, especially for the Deaf, has no place in the school system if he/she has a temper and knows about this.

A teacher for the Deaf MUST ooze patience.
 
Mrs Bucket said:
As an advocate, I need to educate and empower you about the "Deaf-Plus" word.

Please do not use this word anymore as it is very offensive to both me and the general Deaf community that has some disabilities.

We do not see the general community such as the hearing people being called "Hearing-Plus" so this is why we encourage other people to refrain from using "Deaf-Plus".

It is unfortunately the system decided to mislabel the Deaf person with CP, blindness, learning disorders as "Deaf-Plus". This is very self-depreciating and allows others to look down at the individual.

Feedback for you..

Proper approach - "Mrs Bucket is DeafBlind."

Wrong approach - "Mrs Bucket is Deaf-Plus."

See the difference between those two? This is where we have to learn more about the individual who's Deaf and has an additional disability. We cannot mislabel the Deaf individual as the individual already has a label. We need to ask him/herself who he/she is.

Hope this helps, smile.

Remember I live near you & we can get together and put our advocating minds together! :wave:
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To be honest, when I first saw "Deaf-Plus" last Friday on the activity guideline for the local Deaf centre (with the big D), I almost revolted and wanted to puke. I never came across that term. I means I know educators use "vanilla deaf," but "deaf plus"... wow...

Okay, if you developed "disability" later in life, I can understand, but for the cognitionally "disabled" or early "disabled," it's a slap in the face because they never really got to grow up to miss what they are supposedly losing out on.

I went there to get tickets for an ASL play, almost left as soon as I saw that because I was offended at the implied meaning; only thing that stopped me from leaving when I saw that it was meant to be a support group for people who developed conditions later in life (ie. elderly deaf people.)

But still... I I don't get offended easily, but man... that one made me want to take it out on people and explode on them.
 
Mrs Bucket said:
As an advocate, I need to educate and empower you about the "Deaf-Plus" word.
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I am 100% with you on that and I too find it to be quite offensive when someone refers to me as Deaf-plus. I am Deaf and disabled. They are separate identities and although Deaf is still my primary identity, I have a disabled identity too and I am involved in the disabled community.

However, the reason why I use Deaf-Plus in addition to Deaf and disabled, is because I know some people who identify as Deaf-plus. I have been taken down in different Deaf rights meetings for only saying Deaf and disabled and I have had mega debates with members of our community here in Toronto about the term.

I know at least 10 people who actually identify as Deaf-Plus and am not going to discredit someones identity for sake of political correctness in the eyes of a few others.

Whenever I meet someone with this identity I always question them as to of why, and most have told me because the 'Plus" part isn't part of their identity. I don't need to know what the "plus" is in this context but I need to know that it is there. I have to respect that choice.

I am heavily involved in the disabled community too, and while we don't say hearing-plus there are other terms like multiple exceptionalities. You need to remember the cultural difference. In the hearing world, and in English we do say "Deaf with multiple exceptionalities", translate that into ASL and you get Deaf-Plus. It is a case of ASL gloss being used in English. If you were to sign multiple-exceptionalities half of the Deaf community would not understand that concept - because ASL conceptually recognizes it as Deaf-plus. It is a translation thing.

So yes, I understand your point. I too resent being called Deaf-Plus because that is not how I choose to identify myself. I need to respect others and respect ASL though.
 
Deaf-plus is used in UK too and I don't like it either. I found out only recently!
I prefer to refer a person for example "this ladyis deaf and uses wheelchair " So the opposite knows that the person has additional needs other than deafness.

I work with deaf children with additional needs (CMV, CP, Aspregers etc), I always refer them as M is deaf with/and has so so.
 
First time I have heard of that term! That's a new one to me and I am with you, guys. I dont like it either.
 
I have never heard of deaf-plus but i dont like the sound of it. Why cant you just say so and so is deaf and has a ......disability

Good luck to Faire Jour on her education to become a TOD
 
Agree with the opinions on the use of "Deaf-plus". I have heard it used rarely, have corrected those I have heard use it, and refuse to use it myself.
 
hmmm, never knew of "Deaf-Plus", reminds me of an ad for something...when I worked with kids who were Deaf and had disabilities, that's what we said "Deaf and having behavioral disability" or "Deaf with LD" or "deaf with autism", "has Spina Bifida and is deaf", etc. And we also asked the kids what they wanted to be called, and/or asked parent/guardian-

don't like this "Deaf-Plus" thing....
 
Faire jour, I apologize for starting this off-topicness! Not my intention.

Some people DO identify as Deaf-Plus and we need to respect that. I don't. But I work with 2 or 3 people that do and have several others as friends. We need to respect those that do identify that way. if we don't like if for ourselves that is fine, but when I come across someone that identifies as Deaf-Plus I don't tell them I won't use their identity because I don't like it...

Now, back to education and Deaf ed and going back to school!
 
Proper approach - "Mrs Bucket is DeafBlind."

Wrong approach - "Mrs Bucket is Deaf-Plus."
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Well I think that deaf-blind would be different from Deaf-Plus.
To me Deaf Plus sounds like deaf-MR/severe multi...not nessarily deaf and just "other" disabilites.
 
deafdyke said:
Well I think that deaf-blind would be different from Deaf-Plus.
To me Deaf Plus sounds like deaf-MR/severe multi...not nessarily deaf and just "other" disabilites.
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That's exactly why "Deaf Plus" shouldn't be used. It conjure up bad images.
 
deafdyke said:
Well I think that deaf-blind would be different from Deaf-Plus.
To me Deaf Plus sounds like deaf-MR/severe multi...not nessarily deaf and just "other" disabilites.
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Souggy is correct in his post.

Please refrain from using Deaf-Plus, we do not need the Deaf Community putting us down any more than the hearing community does.

I will educate and empower the person who labels themselves as Deaf-Plus. I will explain why using the Deaf-Plus term is incorrect and I will encourage the person to use Deaf & ________ (insert disability) because using Deaf-Plus is a term that the hearing community used to misidentify us.

We, Deaf people, need to stop this term "Deaf-Plus" from being used. To "respect" the "Deaf-Plus" user is enabling the hearing community to misidentify/mislabel us.

It is called audism and to allow "Deaf-Plus" to be used over and over is allowing the audists the freedom to conjure new words they assume is okay to label us when it is not appropriate.

As an advocate, I must stress this word "Deaf-Plus" to be abolished with empowerment and education.
 
FJ, I want to wish you best in school....:)

someday I may like to go back to school.
 
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