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Hello, I just recently bought a HDTV and I have been trying to get all three (HDTV, DVD player, and cable provider) connected but only cable and HDTV showed CC, but not the DVD player. I am trying to get DVD player to show CC (not subtitle). Any suggestions?
I know HDMI cable does not carry analog, only digital so I used component cables (red/green/blue) to avoid using the cable box's menu to enable captions.
Does anybody ever succeed making all three work with CC??
 
It's because of the HDMI cable, it doesn't allow for closed captioning to be translated from the DVD player - you can either get a new DVD player that is CC-HDMI friendly or you could do what I did which was get a cable for my Mac laptop to hook up to the tv - the closed captioning on my Mac's DVD player shows on the tv screen. It's a bit of a pain - looking forward to when they update the DVD player/HDMI issue.
 
You can try composite cables (three cables) and set your DVD player to non-progressive scan (or interlace) if your DVD player allows you to do that. This way you can still watch in high definition with CC.

My old Samsung DVD player with older HDTV using composite cables worked for CC.

But I have read lately in newer HDTV, CC may no longer work using composite cables.

My current setup uses HDMI with all external equipment (Blu-ray player and PC with Media Center Edition) and I use sub-titles which I think works better than CC. You can still use HDMI cable and watch DVD movies with sub-titles. HDMI provides the highest resolution than any other cables.

Good luck.

Peter
 
peternagy said:
You can try composite cables (three cables) and set your DVD player to non-progressive scan (or interlace) if your DVD player allows you to do that. This way you can still watch in high definition with CC.

My old Samsung DVD player with older HDTV using composite cables worked for CC.

But I have read lately in newer HDTV, CC may no longer work using composite cables.

My current setup uses HDMI with all external equipment (Blu-ray player and PC with Media Center Edition) and I use sub-titles which I think works better than CC. You can still use HDMI cable and watch DVD movies with sub-titles. HDMI provides the highest resolution than any other cables.

Good luck.

Peter
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YUP !

The issue is that HDMI and Component cables (Red, Blue & Green) do NOT allow CC (regardless of how you hook them up, what you connect them to etc)

If you want to view CC you need to use either composite cables(Red, White & Yellow) OR "S-Video" cables... both of which will allow CC to be transmitted. You also will need to turn of the progressive scan on the DVD player as previously stated

For more info on this there are a number of thread under the technology section here at AD
 
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I made a typo. When I said composite cables, I meant component cables. My old Samsung DVD player along with older HDTV, the CC did work if the DVD player was set to interlace (non-progressive scan).

I believe modern HDTV or DVD players will not allow component cables to work with CC which is sad because component supports high definition.

Anij is correct about composite cables will work with CC BUT it's not high definition.

In order to watch high definition video with CC/sub-titles using HDMI, try enable sub-titles in your DVD player. It's better than nothing and I personally like sub-titles better than tradional CC.

Peter
 
Who care? CC is practically dead on most DVD. Thank to English SDH.
 
PowerON said:
Who care? CC is practically dead on most DVD. Thank to English SDH.
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I do care. There are a lot of CC's in Blue Ray DVD's. CC's are more responsive, detailed and interactive than subtitles. If you watch the "Cell block tango / he had it comin' Lyrics" in "Chicago" movie in closed captioner and English SDH in subtitles in during the song play, you will see a BIG difference. More impact and expressive than the SDH subtitles.

I might be profound deaf, but I LOVE music, lyrics and all that. Makes movie more interesting!
 
LinuxGold said:
I do care. There are a lot of CC's in Blue Ray DVD's. CC's are more responsive, detailed and interactive than subtitles. If you watch the "Cell block tango / he had it comin' Lyrics" in "Chicago" movie in closed captioner and English SDH in subtitles in during the song play, you will see a BIG difference. More impact and expressive than the SDH subtitles.

I might be profound deaf, but I LOVE music, lyrics and all that. Makes movie more interesting!
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Just to let you know, it's called Blu-ray Disc, not Blue Ray DVDs. Hee.

English SDH itself is supposed to include everything. But there don't seem to be any established guidelines on what is to be included in the SDH.

I do find it annoying when they don't include the lyrics.
 
Banjo said:
Just to let you know, it's called Blu-ray Disc, not Blue Ray DVDs. Hee.

English SDH itself is supposed to include everything. But there don't seem to be any established guidelines on what is to be included in the SDH.

I do find it annoying when they don't include the lyrics.
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Thanks for your corrections -- Blu-ray Disc.

In that "Chicago" movie, what I am trying to point out is this --

When first string lyric words are sung, closed captioner just popped up, then suddenly second string popped up quickly after -- two different boxes appear at different time in perfect synchronization to the word that was spoken.
 
LinuxGold said:
Thanks for your corrections -- Blu-ray Disc.

In that "Chicago" movie, what I am trying to point out is this --

When first string lyric words are sung, closed captioner just popped up, then suddenly second string popped up quickly after -- two different boxes appear at different time in perfect synchronization to the word that was spoken.
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Hmm... what do you mean, two different boxes?
 
Banjo said:
Hmm... what do you mean, two different boxes?
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Forgive me, I'm not good with jargoons. I meant the closed captioned dialog that defaults with black and white wording. How do you call that?

In this instance the Chorus:
He had it comin' (He had it comin')
He only had himself to blame
If you'd a been there, if you'd a seen it
I think that you would have done the same
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During the song the lead singer would sing "He had it comin'" then the rest of singer would follow with "(He had it comin')", there is a tiny time delay on how those two clauses was spoken.

SDH would just line them out both at once.

But closed captioner would display them DIFFERENTLY! First one would pop as it was sung then second one would appear on other side at the same time WHILE the first one is still there.

That made the music even more drastic to the deaf audience!
 
Closed caption also shows the water drip sound, guard walking on metal floor and all that while SDH doesn't.
 
LinuxGold said:
Closed caption also shows the water drip sound, guard walking on metal floor and all that while SDH doesn't.
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Actually, in a lot of cases, they do show that. It's supposed to, but some fail to.
 
LinuxGold said:
Right, that is which why I prefer CC over SDH
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Only the problem is, CC via HDMI is hard to come by. They need to establish the guidelines and force the studios to hire the CC services to take care of the SDH. This way, they can have standards in place.
 
Banjo said:
Only the problem is, CC via HDMI is hard to come by. They need to establish the guidelines and force the studios to hire the CC services to take care of the SDH. This way, they can have standards in place.
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Right, I was told that Blu-Ray Disc player is supposed to include Closed Captioner before it was sent via HDMI. That should come out on HDMI 1.4?
 
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