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Lighthouse77 said:
didn't they do that with everyone on that show? It seem like majority of people on that show don't act that way in real life. but I don't know, I've only seen a clip (and haven't seen the ASL part at all)
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I only saw that one episode, and it did seem like all the characters were unbelievable, but that still doesn't make it okay to use a bad stereotype of a hard of hearing person, IMO.

Now that Jiro has posted the signing scene, and I watch it again without the influence of the part with the director, it's a lot more appealing to me. That first scene making fun of the HoH guy really left a sour taste in my mouth.
 
TheWriteAlex said:
I only saw that one episode, and it did seem like all the characters were unbelievable, but that still doesn't make it okay to use a bad stereotype of a hard of hearing person, IMO.

Now that Jiro has posted the signing scene, and I watch it again without the influence of the part with the director, it's a lot more appealing to me. That first scene making fun of the HoH guy really left a sour taste in my mouth.
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if you watched the series, you'd know that glee uses a lot of stereotypes - it's been like that since the beginning. i only keep up with it because i like the plot and i wanna know where the baby drama ends up.. haha. it's a guilty pleasure of mine.
 
anakin said:
if you watched the series, you'd know that glee uses a lot of stereotypes - it's been like that since the beginning. i only keep up with it because i like the plot and i wanna know where the baby drama ends up.. haha. it's a guilty pleasure of mine.
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That's what people said about the House episode with the cochlear implants. I thought the same too until I met an avid watcher that honestly believed the stuff on the episode were true. He called the Deaf culture a "stupid subculture" where insecure people retreat to.... in response to why the guy with the CI ripped them out. So... it went to "yay, they got deaf people on House even though it was heavily stereotyped" to "oh wow... didn't realize what a negative influence it has on the viewers."
 
anakin said:
if you watched the series, you'd know that glee uses a lot of stereotypes - it's been like that since the beginning. i only keep up with it because i like the plot and i wanna know where the baby drama ends up.. haha. it's a guilty pleasure of mine.
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Using stereotypes in a show is never a good thing, for exactly this reason:

souggy said:
That's what people said about the House episode with the cochlear implants. I thought the same too until I met an avid watcher that honestly believed the stuff on the episode were true. He called the Deaf culture a "stupid subculture" where insecure people retreat to.... in response to why the guy with the CI ripped them out. So... it went to "yay, they got deaf people on House even though it was heavily stereotyped" to "oh wow... didn't realize what a negative influence it has on the viewers."
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If Glee is trying to break down these stereotypes and get people to question their own perception, that's a good thing. But I don't see that with Glee. The ridicule that the audience feels for the director in the first scene is not assuaged by the signing scene because they're unrelated. Also, notice how that show ended? With the director still acting like a buffoon, and the cheerleading coach says, "read my lips" and gets condescending...
 
TheWriteAlex said:
Using stereotypes in a show is never a good thing, for exactly this reason:



If Glee is trying to break down these stereotypes and get people to question their own perception, that's a good thing. But I don't see that with Glee. The ridicule that the audience feels for the director in the first scene is not assuaged by the signing scene because they're unrelated. Also, notice how that show ended? With the director still acting like a buffoon, and the cheerleading coach says, "read my lips" and gets condescending...
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That's why I am a bit worried about it, because it has the unintended undertone that deaf people don't fit in the real world, and have to be in their own culture to be "normal."

I see that crap so often... "why don't you date deaf girls," "why you even bother speaking" and so on from a few biased members of society... and it hurts to see those perceptions are going to be re-enforced when they see Glee.
 
TheWriteAlex said:
Using stereotypes in a show is never a good thing, for exactly this reason:



If Glee is trying to break down these stereotypes and get people to question their own perception, that's a good thing. But I don't see that with Glee. The ridicule that the audience feels for the director in the first scene is not assuaged by the signing scene because they're unrelated. Also, notice how that show ended? With the director still acting like a buffoon, and the cheerleading coach says, "read my lips" and gets condescending...
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souggy said:
That's why I am a bit worried about it, because it has the unintended undertone that deaf people don't fit in the real world, and have to be in their own culture to be "normal."

I see that crap so often... "why don't you date deaf girls," "why you even bother speaking" and so on from a few biased members of society... and it hurts to see those perceptions are going to be re-enforced when they see Glee.
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to show the positive view, you must show the negative view. I don't believe the negative perception is being reinforced... it's just showing you the truth that nobody wants to acknowledge it because they do it. We see bullying scenes in movies/tv all the time. in the end? the victim fights back and wins.

same thing with Glee. It had a surprising ending.
 
souggy said:
That's why I am a bit worried about it, because it has the unintended undertone that deaf people don't fit in the real world, and have to be in their own culture to be "normal."

I see that crap so often... "why don't you date deaf girls," "why you even bother speaking" and so on from a few biased members of society... and it hurts to see those perceptions are going to be re-enforced when they see Glee.
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Yes, true. But let's not be complete downers here. There are also plenty of people who were affected positively by this show and were inspired to make a difference. Notice the new member or two who joined up just because they watched the show? I think that's good. Even if they initially have the wrong perception, their intention to help is what matters, and they will eventually be shown the right perception.

This show certainly didn't create a perfect bridge between the two cultures, but at least it was trying.
 
TheWriteAlex said:
Yes, true. But let's not be complete downers here. There are also plenty of people who were affected positively by this show and were inspired to make a difference. Notice the new member or two who joined up just because they watched the show? I think that's good. Even if they initially have the wrong perception, their intention to help is what matters, and they will eventually be shown the right perception.

This show certainly didn't create a perfect bridge between the two cultures, but at least it was trying.
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Right. The responses to the Deaf glee club scene on YouTube is overwhelmingly positive overall.
 
Jiro said:
to show the positive view, you must show the negative view. I don't believe the negative perception is being reinforced... it's just showing you the truth that nobody wants to acknowledge it because they do it. We see bullying scenes in movies/tv all the time. in the end? the victim fights back and wins.

same thing with Glee. It had a surprising ending.
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Nah, I disagree with you, J. The HoH director was not being bullied. He was making a fool out of himself and the hearing teacher was just quiet and didn't say anything in order not to offend or seem insensitive. It would have been better if the director WAS bullied because that would be realistic. But how often are you in a situation talking to someone one-on-one and you act like a jackass because of your hearing loss? C'mon, that's not realistic. It's just a stereotype.
 
TheWriteAlex said:
Nah, I disagree with you, J. The HoH director was not being bullied. He was making a fool out of himself and the hearing teacher was just quiet and didn't say anything in order not to offend or seem insensitive. It would have been better if the director WAS bullied because that would be realistic. But how often are you in a situation talking to someone one-on-one and you act like a jackass because of your hearing loss? C'mon, that's not realistic. It's just a stereotype.
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actually, it is realistic. I used to sing for my public school choir in solo. No one made fun of my singing. In fact, they loved it (some even cried) even though I know deep inside i sang out of tune.

My director is hearing. He didn't say anything either. He liked it too and it didn't bother him at all that it was out of tune.
 
Lighthouse77 said:
actually, it is realistic. I used to sing for my public school choir in solo. No one made fun of my singing. In fact, they loved it (some even cried) even though I know deep inside i sang out of tune.

My director is hearing. He didn't say anything either. He liked it too and it didn't bother him at all that it was out of tune.
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I am talking about the scene with the HoH director and the hearing director when they are speaking in the office, and the HoH director keeps misinterpreting what the hearing director is saying, doesn't hear his phone ringing, etc.

You would have to watch the entire episode to see that part. It's not related to the signing scene.
 
Unless this HOH director is a teen, Why would kids bully an adult? I had lots of teachers who got made fun of, but NO ONE would dare to bully a teacher?

But for a hearing person not bother correcting a HOH (or we keep misunderstanding)is a fact of life sadly . Either that or the "Never mind"
 
Lighthouse77 said:
Unless this HOH director is a teen, Why would kids bully an adult? I had lots of teachers who got made fun of, but NO ONE would dare to bully a teacher?

But for a hearing person not bother correcting a HOH (or we keep misunderstanding)is a fact of life sadly . Either that or the "Never mind"
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Hmm, I think we're still not on the same page here. Did you watch the whole episode, or just the scene with the signing?
 
interesting different opinions going on here. sounds like half of us didn't see whole thing and half of us saw only youtube. :hmm:

I better watch the whole thing! I've got my Dunkin' Donut Turbo Hot coffee and donuts.. time to tune into hulu! brb! :cool2:
 
Jiro said:
interesting different opinions going on here. sounds like half of us didn't see whole thing and half of us saw only youtube. :hmm:

I better watch the whole thing! I've got my Dunkin' Donut Turbo Hot coffee and donuts.. time to tune into hulu! brb! :cool2:
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Have fun. :)
 
TheWriteAlex said:
Oh c'mon Jillio. You don't really believe that, do you? What HoH/deaf person acts the way the deaf director was portrayed? Perhaps someone's late-deafened crazy uncle or something, but do you really think we go around making fools of ourselves like that all day? That scene did nothing to raise awareness. It was only trying to elicit humor at the expense of his hearing loss.



This, I am much more inclined to agree with.
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To my way of thinking, and based on my experience, it was not an attempt to illicit humor. Perhaps you have some bias there that is skewing your perspective a bit? I have seen students made fun of in just this way day in and day out in the mainstream for over 20 years. Yet, anytime such an occurrance is talked about, everyone is outraged and says, "Oh, come on! That never happens! People aren't that mean and insensitive!"

The fact is, yes, people are that mean and insensitive. And those that have not seen it firsthand need to be aware that students are often treated in a very disrespectful and hurtful manner. And, yes, teachers, too, even those deaf teachers at the collegiate level.
 
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