Gas

DeafSCUBA98 said:
but in USA.. FTC will take action for those who are greatly taking huge profit from gas prices...

**Snort** Who are you kidding? I have yet to see the FTC really ever take any action that strikes fear in the oil companies. At worst, it is a slap on the wrist. Everybody sees it but the powers to be simply stick their heads in the sand. Something about getting "proof" as if it were rocket science.
 
*sigh*

Expensive then still ongoing not changes...

*mumbling*
Looking into my purse... *flew $ away* for gas! Damn expensive still ongoing...
 
Exactly! this is capitalism, NOT COMMUNIST, OR SOCIALISM!
Capitalism = freedom of enterprises, meaning business are FREE TO DO WHATEVER THEY WANT TO!

sr171soars said:
**Snort** Who are you kidding? I have yet to see the FTC really ever take any action that strikes fear in the oil companies. At worst, it is a slap on the wrist. Everybody sees it but the powers to be simply stick their heads in the sand. Something about getting "proof" as if it were rocket science.
 
glad i filled 3 tanks of gas.. 1 for my car.. 2 tanks for my truck.. and i filled 3-5gal gas tank.. frankly i'm prepared!
 
DeafSCUBA98 said:
glad i filled 3 tanks of gas.. 1 for my car.. 2 tanks for my truck.. and i filled 3-5gal gas tank.. frankly i'm prepared!

and no tanks for ATVs ?

j/k :giggle:
 
DeafSCUBA98 said:
glad i filled 3 tanks of gas.. 1 for my car.. 2 tanks for my truck.. and i filled 3-5gal gas tank.. frankly i'm prepared!

How much did you expense all your vehcile?
 
Rita could equal $5 gas

The timing and strength of the latest storm could cause worse spike at the pumps than Katrina did.
September 22, 2005: 3:49 PM EDT
By Chris Isidore, CNN/Money senior writer

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NEW YORK (CNN/Money) - Remember when gas spiked to $3-plus a gallon after Hurricane Katrina? By this time next week, that could seem like the good old days.

Weather and energy experts say that as bad as Hurricane Katrina hit the nation's supply of gasoline, Hurricane Rita could be worse.

Katrina damage was focused on offshore oil platforms and ports. Now the greater risk is to oil-refinery capacity, especially if Rita slams into Houston, Galveston and Port Arthur, Texas.

"We could be looking at gasoline lines and $4 gas, maybe even $5 gas, if this thing does the worst it could do," said energy analyst Peter Beutel of Cameron Hanover. "This storm is in the wrong place. And it's absolutely at the wrong time," said Beutel.

Michael Schlacter, chief meteorologist for private weather service Weather 2000, said that it now appears the eye of Rita could come ashore near Port Arthur, Texas, near the Texas-Louisiana border, sometime Saturday morning. The forecast from the National Hurricane Center puts the most likely track of the storm a bit further west, coming ashore between Galveston, Texas and the border. (For a look at CNN.com's coverage of Hurricane Rita, click here.)

Both areas have big concentrations of refineries. Schlacter warned that Rita is now so large that refineries in both areas would be affected by Rita making landfall at either location. And he said it's a fair bet that Rita will be even stronger than Hurricane Katrina was when it hit most of the oil facilities in Louisiana and Mississippi.

"It's splitting hairs as to where the eye is coming ashore," he said. "Anywhere within 60 miles of the eye will get clobbered."

Offshore oil rigs and platforms, even some of them further east off the Louisiana Gulf Coast, are also at risk from the heavy surf being kicked up by the storm as it moves through the Gulf of Mexico.

"She is spending the longest possible time she could spend in the Gulf, and because of that she has days and days to build up momentum and churn up the waters," he said.

Still, a downgrade in status of Rita to a Category 4 storm from the most damaging Category 5 status it had earlier in the day sent oil prices down from earlier highs to close slightly lower. Gasoline futures closed higher, though.

Oil started climbing higher in after-hours trading after the American Petroleum Institute gave a late afternoon briefing at which it said seven refineries in the projected path of Rita had already started shutting down operations. Those refineries have combined capacity of 2.4 million barrels, or about 14 percent of national capacity.

"It is too soon to estimate the extent of fuel supply disruptions, if any. However, even if we are fortunate enough to escape with minimal damage, the shutdowns in preparation for Rita will have some effect," said API CEO Red Cavaney. He asked Americans to conserve fuel in anticipations of disruptions.

Compounding Katrina's impact
When Katrina hit, 15 refineries, nearly all in Louisiana and Mississippi, with a combined capacity of about 3.3 million barrels a day, were shut down or damaged, according to the Energy Department. That represented almost 20 percent of U.S. refining capacity.

Within a week, almost two-thirds of that damaged capacity had resumed some operations, according to the department. But four refineries with nearly 900,000 barrels a day of capacity are still basically shut down.

If Rita hits the Houston-Galveston area, as well as the Port Arthur-Beaumont region near the Texas-Louisiana border, that could take out more than 3 million barrels of capacity a day, according to Bob Tippee, editor of the industry trade journal Oil & Gas Journal in Houston.

"Before Katrina, the system was already so tight that the worst-case scenario was for a disruption that took 250,000 barrels of capacity out of the picture. That would have been considered a major jolt," said Tippee.

"We're already in uncharted territory now. We can't project what happens from another shot the size of Katrina or worse."

Part of the problem is that skilled crews needed to make refinery repairs are already busy trying to fix the Katrina damage. That would extend recovery time from Rita.

"It's not like you can call just anyone to come in and fix a refinery. The specialists are already in Louisiana fixing the ones there," said J.W. Vitalone, energy analyst with Soleil Securities Group.

Vitalone said that he doesn't think any gas spike following the storm will be long-term. "We'll see the markets take over and $5 will go away sooner rather than later," he said. Both he and Fadel Gheit, oil analyst with Oppenheimer, both believe imports of gasoline should help limit the price hikes here. But Vitalone said that there are likely to be disruptions not just from refinery shutdowns but from problems with pipelines that carry the product.

Gas not the only concern
Problems could spread beyond the gas pumps.

Tippee said that natural gas prices could see a further spike, since so many of the offshore platforms off of Texas produce natural gas, not crude oil.

And while gasoline imports have helped bring gas prices down from record highs, there isn't as much potential for heating-oil imports, he noted.

"Gasoline tends to obscure everything, especially since we aren't paying heating bills right now," said Tippee. "But we were already looking at a winter fuel problem. We're about to take another hit that will cause a lot of problems."

Schlacter said even the oil platforms off the Louisiana Gulf Coast, which are not likely to take a direct hit from Rita, could be affected by large waves churning up the Gulf of Mexico as the storm passes to the south. Waves of as much as 40 to 50 feet could hit the platforms off the Texas Coast, he estimated.

Tippee said that production across the Gulf is already being affected by oil companies pulling workers off platforms ahead of the storm. And it's not just domestic oil being interrupted.

The Louisiana Offshore Oil Port (LOOP), the nation's largest gateway for overseas oil, stopped accepting deliveries of its 1.2 million barrels of oil a day Wednesday afternoon due to high seas, LOOP spokeswoman Barb Hesterman told Reuters. She said the disruption was expected to be "for a short time."

But if Katrina is any guide, it could take several days after Rita passes for production to resume even at oil and gas platforms that escape damage.

"There were several days where if you could have gotten out to the platform, you could have started it back up, but you couldn't find the boats or helicopters you needed to get back to the platforms," he said.
 
:shock: :shock: :shock:
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Meaning Canada would be about.. $6.00 to $8.00 dollars converted from usa funds 3-5 dollars..

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Are we gonna face increasing crimes..??

Gilbert Cabrera posts a "out of gas" sign on his store in Houston on Thursday. After he ran out of gas, Cabrera said fights broke out among some drivers.
 
diehardbiker65 said:
Exactly! this is capitalism, NOT COMMUNIST, OR SOCIALISM!
Capitalism = freedom of enterprises, meaning business are FREE TO DO WHATEVER THEY WANT TO!

Close but er...not exactly. We don't live with totally free unfettered Capitalism. Were that the case, the ecology of the USA would have been destroyed decades ago and we would like in a world much like seen in the following movies; "Blade Runner" or "Brazil...Brazil".

There are some controls to prevent the trampling of the system. Take Carson's classic "Silent Spring" which warned of the pending catastropic disaster using pesticides. Eventually, people got the picture she painted and that shifted things quite a bit in how we would use such chemicals in our food system. The political system may be an "ass" at times but it does response to outside input and it forces corrective actions. Take recently the brouhaha over the greedy CEOs that eptomized the '90's and a bunch have fallen from "grace" and even in jail for incredible excesses. I mention Dennis Kozlowski of Tyco as one example.

Yes, the lobbyists are very powerful and they can and often get in the way from reforms that we desperately need, but they have lost sometimes as well. But I will say the odds are much more in their favor than the everyday man.
 
deafclimber said:
and no tanks for ATVs ?

j/k :giggle:
frankly.. kinda... but the gas is full on my ATV.. and probally won't use all the gas though.. really 1 full tank of gas on my ATV takes about 4 to 6 hours to run out of gas its good MPG..

and i think i'm going 1 more ATV trip this year.. mid-oct..
 
Miss*Pinocchio said:
You don't wanna get rid of that vehicle, and get something smaller
to pay cheaper for gas?
i have chevelote caliver.. and thats small car :P

a ford f-150 thats different story
 
Isnt that obivous that most oil refinery companies are fraud? Sure, they overcharged us too many times. Even, they sure lied their insurance companies that there are some damages in the refinery buildings from the hurricance.
 
American Cancels Some Flights on Fuel Costs Fri Sep 30,10:27 PM ET


FORT WORTH, Texas - American Airlines announced Friday it was temporarily cutting flights in markets it serves from its two largest hubs, citing high jet fuel prices that were also blamed for a new round of fare increases.

American, the nation's largest passenger air carrier, said it was canceling 15 round trips temporarily from Chicago O'Hare and Dallas-Fort Worth international airports. Northwest Airlines also announced modest flight reductions.

American's cutbacks were announced a day after Continental Airlines raised most fares on flights within the United States and between the U.S. and Canada, also blaming jet fuel costs. The Houston-based carrier raised one-way fares $10 and round-trip fares $20.

United Airlines, the nation's second-largest airline, matched the fare increases, as did American. Delta also has been crunched by rising jet fuel prices, and on Friday decided to also match the increase, said Chris Kelly, a spokeswoman for the Atlanta-based carrier.

The flight cutbacks will go into effect Wednesday and continue through Oct. 29, when American said it will evaluate the jet fuel market and decide whether to restore the flights.

"The skyrocketing price of jet fuel has forced American Airlines to take the regretful step," according to a statement issued by the Fort Worth-based airline.

Jet fuel costs have risen 39 percent in the past month. That alone prompted the decision, said Dan Garton, American executive vice president. American said jet fuel cost 91 percent more Thursday than in September 2004, while crude oil prices had increased just half of that amount, 45 percent, in the same period.

One roundtrip flight each day is also being canceled between Dallas-Fort Worth and Atlanta; Denver; El Paso, Newark, N.J.; Washington Dulles; Houston (Bush) Intercontinental; Kansas City, Mo.; Chicago O'Hare; Toronto; Minneapolis-St. Paul; and Tulsa, Okla. Two round trips a day between DFW and Austin also are being canceled.

One round trip flight a day will be canceled from Chicago O'Hare to Houston (Bush) Intercontinental and Toronto.

American also said it would discontinue flights between Chicago O'Hare and Nagoya, Japan at the end of October because of fuel prices.

American said it cut back in markets that would have plenty of other American flights operating.

"We have made incredible progress in lowering our operational costs for over two years now. However, skyrocketing fuel costs have eaten up all of those savings and more," Garton said.

Northwest Airlines said Friday that fuel prices prompted it to suspend its daily Minneapolis-to-London flight from Oct. 30 to March 9, and to reduce its Detroit-to-Paris flight from daily to five per week from Jan. 16 to March 9. Northwest had already suspended its New York to Tokyo nonstop flight, instead sending passengers through Minneapolis or Detroit.

Northwest has said it expects to spend at least $3.3 billion on fuel this year, a 50 percent increase over its fuel bill of $2.2 billion last year.

US Airways spokesman Carlo Bertolini says there are no plans to cancel flights or alter schedules based on current fuel prices.

Dallas-based Southwest Airlines did not immediately take any action due to fuel prices.

"We have 85 percent of our fuel bill hedged at $26 a barrel," said Beth Harbin, spokeswoman for the low-fare carrier. "Because we were able to purchase insurance against those high prices, we're paying a lower average per gallon than the rest of the industry."

I guess they need to cut back on peanuts they served us on plane as well.
 
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