Gallaudet Graduate Student - Cochlear Implant Controversy Presentation

I sense in the old days that is on the way. ;)
 
AlleyCat said:
But you're just trolling. So that doesn't count.
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Troling? Nah, it's just that my view is, generally it's best to stay out of amateurs random talk. As in this case, it has gone so far off-the-tangent where it become impossible to slot in some post that might reconstruct the randoms into cohesion for it to make sense, in other words I couldn't step in , it is already a mess!....
 
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Considering the many varied comments-to date- no response from the OP -John.
Happy at what was generated?
 
drphil said:
Seems the "design of human bodies" ishould now be questioning. Gee do we really need say arms. legs or hearing/speaking vision etc?

Unstated how in the future such can be no longer classfied as "disabled".

Presumably, from another thread= new arrivals from planet "X" might reconstruct humans.

Realistic in the near future?

Such seem possible?
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Shakesphere?
 
Will "Shakesphere" resting in an extended "hiatus" underground-peaceful and real quiet!
 
deafdyke said:
Not quite.......Stuff like mental disabilty,autism, and mental illness can never be overcome by accomondations
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Mental disability and illness are essentially the same thing. Autism is a spectrum of things and people with the milder forms can integrate fully into society - whilst having a compromised sense of empathy.

100%.......Many disabilties CAN and do function at 100% with accomondations......like for example ramps and wheelchair lifts,
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Assuming you don't need to stand up/

and low installed things make an enviroment accessible for someone who's parapelegic level functioning.....they're not disabled/unable in that sort of enviroment.....Same with dhh....with things like terps,CART etc dhh can function 100%.....with things like Braille,etc blind/low vision folks can function 100%.....
But brain-related stuff IS very different....No matter what accomondations are given,or different settings they are placed in, people with brain related stuff will never be able to function 100% with accomondations....they CAN help......but say a kid who thinks that a teacher who is being friendly is her BFF and then ends up being accused of stalking them really can never function 100% with ANY accomondations......Another example is someone who's mentally disabled.....NO accomondations whatsoever are going to help a mentally disabled person function on par or like a person with a normal IQ.....
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It is all about placing the right person in the right job. A mentally challenged individual cannot take on a mentally challenging job. Just as a deaf person cannot take on jobs where sounds are important. Or where a person with legs need to stand, or a mute where they need to speak.
 
London said:
Mental disability and illness are essentially the same thing. Autism is a spectrum of things and people with the milder forms can integrate fully into society - whilst having a compromised sense of empathy.







It is all about placing the right person in the right job. A mentally challenged individual cannot take on a mentally challenging job. Just as a deaf person cannot take on jobs where sounds are important. Or where a person with legs need to stand, or a mute where they need to speak.
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Um no.......mental disabilty is what used to be called mental retardation.
And even folks with "mild" autism still have major major social issues.....Oh, I can tell you ALL kinds of stories....the girl with "mild" autism who has gotten in trouble for stalking two teachers.....the guy with Asperger's who got in trouble for following girls......that Deaf autistic dude from Facebook who claims to have gone to Brown but again.....got in trouble for being creepy to girls.....the autistic folks who have such bad social skills they can't even interact or pass an interview...did you know a BIG predictor of getting a career/ general life happiness is *gasp* SOCIAL SKILLS?!?!?!
And it's not just about placing the person in the right job.........it's about getting along in life.
People in wheelchairs,dhh and blind/low vision people can ALL easily adapt to or do stuff alternatively/differently......Not so with mental disabilty, mental illness and almost all autisms (there's a reason why the unemployment rate with autism is 90%)
 
deafdyke said:
Um no.......mental disabilty is what used to be called mental retardation.
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You are right :) Mental disability = retardation -etc , mental illness = schizophrenia, etc.

And even folks with "mild" autism still have major major social issues.....Oh, I can tell you ALL kinds of stories....the girl with "mild" autism who has gotten in trouble for stalking two teachers.....the guy with Asperger's who got in trouble for following girls......that Deaf autistic dude from Facebook who claims to have gone to Brown but again.....got in trouble for being creepy to girls.....the autistic folks who have such bad social skills they can't even interact or pass an interview...did you know a BIG predictor of getting a career/ general life happiness is *gasp* SOCIAL SKILLS?!?!?!
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I have known people with autism and asperger's - they could functionally perfectly fine except socially.

And it's not just about placing the person in the right job.........it's about getting along in life.
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We are definitely more than worker drones. A job is a great first step towards socializing and building self esteem.

People in wheelchairs,dhh and blind/low vision people can ALL easily adapt to or do stuff alternatively/differently......Not so with mental disabilty, mental illness and almost all autisms (there's a reason why the unemployment rate with autism is 90%)
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The deaf unemployment rate is also 90%.
Mentally disabled people are often able to find simple jobs. How many jobs in the US require standing anymore? The mentally ill can find work if medication works well...
 
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London said:
You are right :) Mental disability = retardation -etc , mental illness = schizophrenia, etc.

I have known people with autism and asperger's - they could functionally perfectly fine except socially.




The deaf unemployment rate is also 90%.
Mentally disabled people are often able to find simple jobs. How many jobs in the US require standing anymore? The mentally ill can find work if medication works well...
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Yes, but social issues are a HUGE HUGE piece of the puzzle in regards to getting a job or general life skills....that's the problem....they may get on very well except socially...........but social skills are just such a big part of the puzzle....
That's partly why the Deaf unemployment rate is so high....a lot of kids weren't given a full toolbox....people thought that the most important thing was academics....but dhh kids in an inclusive sitution tended to really miss out socially and emotionally.......
Most mentally disabled folks are in sheltered workshop,not exactly competitive jobs......
 
Damn. to think i remember being jumped in the hallowed halls of ecd as the new kid, and told in no uncertain terms by the deaf kids around me to choose between deaf or hearing. cant be both.
as in trash the hearing aids or else
lol

Those where the days.
That said, though i'm fond of those memories. and one of the chicks was rather cute all told. I did what any smart kid with self preservation instincts would do. i trashed the hearing aids. after all i knew i was certainly outnumbered and as such my odds were better without them.
They were right.
I wouldn't of made the friends i did nor picked up asl as i did if i would of kept those things in at that time. when i could use them.
Then again
They where wee fascist pricks in my eyes. then and since. and though i forgave them as we grew older and became friends i never forgot that bullshit
How does the above relate to CI? In my mind it does in more then one way, but ill have to work out those thoughts more for the thread.

Hoichi the earless
 
:wave:Re post #148- 90-% unemployment rate for autism- which country does this apply to?
 
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VacationGuy234 said:
It's autism, not audism(unless that was a pun a missed).
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This webpage defines the term audism. I don't believe that it was supposed to be either a pun or a typo.

Audism (from the Latin audire, to hear, and -ism, a system of practice, behavior, belief, or attitude) has been variously defined as:

"The notion that one is superior based on one's ability to hear or to behave in the manner of one who hears." Tom Humphries, Communicating across cultures (deaf-hearing) and language learning. (Doctoral dissertation. Cincinnati, OH: Union Institute and University,1977), p.12. If you are off campus, you will need to log on to access this dissertation.

"The belief that life without hearing is futile and miserable, that hearing loss is a tragedy and the "scour-age of mankind" and that deaf people should struggle to be as much like hearing people as possible. Deaf activists Heidi Reed and Hartmut Teuber at D.E.A.F. Inc., a community service and advocacy organization in Boston, consider audism to be "a special case of ableism." Audists, hearing or deaf, shun Deaf culture and the use of sign language, and have what Reed and Teuber describe as "an obsession with the use of residual hearing, speech, and lip-reading by deaf people." Fred Pelka, The ABC-CLIO companion to the disability rights movement (Santa Barbara, Calif: ABC-CLIO, 1997), p.33.

"An attitude based on pathological thinking which results in a negative stigma toward anyone who does not hear; like racism or sexism, audism judges, labels, and limits individuals on the basis of whether a person hears and speaks." Janice Humphrey and Bob J. Alcorn, So you want to be an interpreter?: an introduction to sign language interpreting (Amarillo, TX: H&H Publishers, 1995), p.85.

"The corporate institution for dealing with deaf people, dealing with them by making statements about them, authorizing views of them, describing them, teaching about them, governing where they go to school and, in some cases, where they live; in short, audism is the hearing way of dominating, restructuring, and exercising authority over the deaf community. It includes such professional people as administrators of schools for deaf children and of training programs for deaf adults, interpreters, and some audiologists, speech therapists, otologists, psychologists, psychiatrists, librarians, researchers, social workers, and hearing aid specialists." Harlan Lane, The mask of benevolence: disabling the deaf community (New York: Knopf, 1992), p.43.

Persons who practice audism are called audists. Audists may be hearing or deaf.

The term audism was coined by Tom Humphries in Communicating across cultures (deaf-hearing) and language learning (Doctoral dissertation. Cincinnati, OH: Union Institute and University,1977) . If you are off campus, you will need to log on to access this dissertation. The term lay dormant until Lane revived its use 15 years later. It is increasingly catching on, though not yet in regular dictionaries of the English language. Humphries originally applied audism to individual attitudes and practices, but Lane and others have broadened its scope to include institutional and group attitudes, practices, and oppression of deaf persons.

The first half of Harlan Lane's book, The mask of benevolence: disabling the deaf community, is the most extensive published survey and discussion of audism so far.
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I'm not touchin' this with a 20' pole

Frisky Feline said:
are you on Gallaudet campus? if yes, ask them in person that you can collect the solid information than asking us online. :confused: this forum alldeaf is all diversed peeps, with mixed of late deaf, hoh, deaf and DEAF.
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I completely agree with FF that you are in the wrong forum to get accurate information. While the name is alldeaf, we are not. As FF pointed out, we're HoH to deaf and Deaf (we run the gamut). I know enough not to stumble into answering such a loaded question. Fortunately, I can say that at our local university here in Asheville, we did end up with the lovely President (hearing) who was booted out of Gallaudet the last time y'all had a controversy there :) . I have no issue with the University - it's fabulous and I have a deaf (not Deaf) friend with whom I went to a year of college who used to work there and may still be there.
 
Then we'll not believe it without a source

Grummer said:
Ive seen it and its up to you to find it
..and no, its not the 18 year olds implanted, its the 1 year olds implanted!!
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No source = no valid data. But data from the FDA could also = no valid (or little) data. In my world, this isn't how it works. If you produce facts and figures, you tell us where it all came from. If we don't, enough of us will ignore it. High school/college stuff - you said it, you prove it.

Like ... my audiologist said, "90% of the first-time implanted people have the same issues I have." That was in response to validly asking am I complaining too much. No, I'm in the normal range.
 
CI's aren't they just devices.

Well, I'd like to start by saying that I have a unique view point on CI's, hearing aids and deafness as a way of life. I understand why there is controversy over CI's. I can understand that if you are born a certain way, then "that is the way it should be". I get that. The reason I have a unique view is I was born with only one functional (hearing) ear. And of course that means that I have one "dead" ear. My "good" ear worked well as a child, but I was told at the age of ten (I'm sure my Mom was told earlier) that I would be "lucky" if I can still hear at 20. I am now 42. I can still hear some sounds, but with each drop off or frequency loss, I get a little closer to the predictions of all the specialists I've seen over the years. I was told that a CI is not be the answer for me "until" I have lost all of the hearing in my right ear. I used to think that's never going to happen. Well, I believe it is going to happen now. And soon. I can tell you that my views on hearing aids have been that they don't work nearly as good as the human hearing I was born with. I was a very non compliant user of my aids (cros) in the past. What I can tell you is having heard all of the beautiful sounds this wonderful earth has to offer, I am greatly saddened that I can't hear them anymore. I doubt that a CI will work nearly as well as natural hearing, but I can already tell I am NOT going to transition well. I have people at work and home that get mad at me and they don't want to repeat themselves, I get told "you just have selective hearing loss". When I try to explain that the sun and the moon have be lined up for me to hear every word you said, they don't want to hear it. I have started just telling people what I think I heard, some people say "oh I get how you could think that is what I said" or "not even close". So the question is, when I have lost it all, will I be tempted to try the technology route. Hmm, not sure, but I can tell you that right now I am reliant on my aids and it really does suck compared to just a few years ago (when I could still hear things). I miss being able to hear things. Even when I had a "good" right ear. I missed a lot, but it was weird, because in some ways I found it comforting. I used to like it when I would dry my head with a towel and hear the noises on one side but not the other, or have one of my kids start to tell me a secret in the left and I would start giggling at them and remind them that they have to go to the other side if they want me to hear it. I would giggle because I have never for one second forgotten that I can't hear on that side, but others around me forget all of the time. I keep having to add devices to my household because everyone else hears well. I have amplified headphones to watch TV, (and not deafen the whole family), and amplified stethoscope to work, lights on my phones so I can see that they are ringing. Looking into getting a door mat that will light up a light, when someone steps on it. (most of my friends knock... because they see me and my family as "hearing"). No one rings a door bell, unless they are solicitors. I just will likely see the CI as one more device to make me fit into what is going on around me. Like the door mat. I think I am one of those people who will have to "cross that bridge" when I get there. I am working on getting new hearing aids now. I am hoping that they have improved over the years. I am not fond of the ones I am using now, they have a constant hissing noise like a record at the end of the music. Definitely more compliant with the use of my hearing aids, can't hear much of anything without them, these days. "my ears". The good news is my lip reading skills have come way up. I can now watch TV without sound and pretty much follow all of it. Trying to find sign language classes in my little bity town. It's not like I was informed thirty years ago that this was happening right... Adapting slowly I guess.
 
Would you let us know when the answers to your question "ends"?

SpitfireMK5 said:
Hi Everyone,

I'm a graduate student at Gallaudet University and I'm doing a class presentation on the opposing viewpoints of the Medical Community vs. the Deaf Community on the topic of Cochlear Implants.

I wanted to reach out to the Deaf community on here and get the communities opinion on their opposing view of Cochlear Implants.

I :ty: all of you in advance for any help you may be able to give me toward my presentation.

My Main question: "How do you feel about Cochlear Implants? What do you believe the Medical Community is trying to do? Are they trying to fix the Deaf? What might be wrong with CI's?"

John
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Since there are many of us out here and you are receiving responses (as expected and Frisky Feline cautioned you) from the gamut of "losses," there must be some point in time when responses are no longer needed. You are doing research for your presentation and that will end. Just let us know when this topic for your presentation has ended?

Thanks,
-- Sheri
 
Forget the old days ... On with the new, better, and evolved

shel90 said:
2006 to 2010
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This is in response to when did y'all have the "great battles here." It went on beyond that time. I'd stop in from time to time and the attacking was massive. It was unlike what Bleeding Purist and I went through and we are mature enough (BP, do I say "now"?) to be able to move past it. Back then the real trolling was horrendous. If you were not Deaf or deaf you were attacked. I can say this easily because I was. I was literally tracked to be attacked. There were excuses given but they were just that. It was not worth my time, so I left. I checked in now and then but it was the same ole' same ole'.

I read an independent post a couple years ago that rated the various Deaf/deaf/HoH websites and alldeaf was ranked (whatever that means and by whoever) really low because of the attacks primarily on hearing people (well, like me - HoH).

I'm glad things have changed. I've learned from y'all. You're good people. In my new life, sometime y'all help me ground myself. Quack quack .

Sincere thanks,
-- Sheri
 
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