future of deaf ed

[Cheri]

It becomes more obvious that the bi-bi approach is the better approach than any others so far it proved, if not perfect. We have to choose a system disregardless whatever they declare that all approaches didn't work out or aren't perfect, however. Sure enough, it is only my opinion that I think we ought to use the bi-bi approach yet they could always improve it along.

That's your opinion as far I've done my research, the disadvantage of bi-bi setting that it does not spend time working on audition or speech. You can find that information on here: Bi-Bi Options

I prefer if deaf children learn speech and signs, not one over another that's my opinion.

 

[jillio]

Well, I agree with your first paragraph but disagree with your second paragraph at best.

It becomes more obvious that the bi-bi approach is the better approach than any others so far it proved, if not perfect. We have to choose a system disregardless whatever they declare that all approaches didn't work out or aren't perfect, however. Sure enough, it is only my opinion that I think we ought to use the bi-bi approach yet they could always improve it along.

It's acknowledged that it may be widely vary depending on the individuals' abilities that has/had to do with it, otherwise. It's not easy to teach deaf something so unique and different like you said well sort of.

Evidence supports the use of bi-bi as the best method for the vast majority of deaf students.

 

[jillio]

That's your opinion as far I've done my research, the disadvantage of bi-bi setting that it does not spend time working on audition or speech. You can find that information on here: Bi-Bi Options

I prefer if deaf children learn speech and signs, not one over another that's my opinion.

That is incorrect. The bi-bi program does provide for speech/auditory services just as the public school system writes these services into an IEP. They are not part of the curriculum, but then, they are not part of the curriculum in any program, oral only included. They are provided as adjunct services.

 

[Cheri]

That is incorrect. The bi-bi program does provide for speech/auditory services just as the public school system writes these services into an IEP.

Where did I stated that it does not provide speech/auditory services? From what I said "bi bi does not spend time working on audition or speech" from research. I believe speech/auditory is held separate from daily classroom instruction. The question is how often do they work on speech and audition?

 

[jillio]

Where did I stated that it does not provide speech/auditory services? From what I said "bi bi does not spend time working on audition or speech" from research. I believe speech/auditory is held separate from daily classroom instruction.

Where you stated it is in the bolded comment you have provided. "Does not spend time working on it" is the same as saying the services are not provided. When services are provided, then time is spent working on it.

 

[Cousin Vinny]

Coordination and support in the mainstream settings are severely lacking. There is a severe shortage of qualified teachers in all settings.

Actually, and thanks to inclusion, support services for DHH students are on the increase, despite a nationwide shortage of interpreters.

I don't necessarily agree with you about a 'severe shortage' of qualified teachers in all settings. Due to the ever decreasing incidence of Deafness in the student population, and the constant number of TOD's in Deaf education, there is (or would be) a surplus of qualified teachers. This is true for the area I live in. There aren't just enough DHH students, and there's 'too many' teachers that have certifications to teach DHH students.

Inclusion isn't helping either. If a DHH student is placed in a mainstream setting, the only certification the inclusion teacher is required to have is a ESE certification. TOD's can apply, but there's too many inclusion teachers, and they inevitably lose out. It is for this reason alone that I'm considering going for an ESE certification in addition to the hearing-impaired certification I already have. It helps my job mobility a lot.

 

[jillio]

Actually, and thanks to inclusion, support services for DHH students are on the increase, despite a nationwide shortage of interpreters.

I don't necessarily agree with you about a 'severe shortage' of qualified teachers in all settings. Due to the ever decreasing incidence of Deafness in the student population, and the constant number of TOD's in Deaf education, there is (or would be) a surplus of qualified teachers. This is true for the area I live in. There aren't just enough DHH students, and there's 'too many' teachers that have certifications to teach DHH students.

Inclusion isn't helping either. If a DHH student is placed in a mainstream setting, the only certification the inclusion teacher is required to have is a ESE certification. TOD's can apply, but there's too many inclusion teachers, and they inevitably lose out. It is for this reason alone that I'm considering going for an ESE certification in addition to the hearing-impaired certification I already have. It helps my job mobility a lot.

Support services may be on the increase, but are they the proper support services allowing for equal access to the educational environment? It is a matter of quality, not quantity.

I like the requirement of ESE certification. It would be great if all TOD's had ESE certification.

 

[shel90]

Where did I stated that it does not provide speech/auditory services? From what I said "bi bi does not spend time working on audition or speech" from research. I believe speech/auditory is held separate from daily classroom instruction. The question is how often do they work on speech and audition?

BiBi does not spend time on speech services? That's strange cuz we have a whole speech dept just for that purpose.

If the research is saying that about the bibi programs not providing speech services, then the research needs to be reviewed again.

 

[jillio]

BiBi does not spend time on speech services? That's strange cuz we have a whole speech dept just for that purpose.

If the research is saying that about the bibi programs not providing speech services, then the research needs to be reviewed again.

Exactly. No program includes it as part of the academic curriculum, including oral only. But it is included as an adjunct service in a bi-bi program.

 

[web730]

Where did I stated that it does not provide speech/auditory services? From what I said "bi bi does not spend time working on audition or speech" from research. I believe speech/auditory is held separate from daily classroom instruction. The question is how often do they work on speech and audition?

Well, I wouldn't want to learn to speak because it takes lot, lot of practice to speak good enough. I was offered to take speech courses outside school classes when I was around twelve but I didn't want to. It did same with many other deaf students except for very few ones who opted to continue practicing.

Even if there is a time machine going back to that time, I wouldn't change it either so assume it would stay the same with many others.

For anyone to learn speak, it's best to start at very early age aka age 4 esp after learning some ASL first. It will work well I believe... but however, I don't think we would do both at deaf school where ASL is so dominated.

At last, you need to realize that ASL should be first and foremost language for the deaf puberties to learn and use because of the language development itself in turn to learn English better... quicker than those who start learning speaking first (even both speak and sign same time).

 

[shel90]

Well, I wouldn't want to learn to speak because it takes lot, lot of practice to speak good enough. I was offered to take speech courses outside school classes when I was around twelve but I didn't want to. It did same with many other deaf students except for very few ones who opted to continue practicing.

Even if there is a time machine going back to that time, I wouldn't change it either so assume it would stay the same with many others.

For anyone to learn speak, it's best to start at very early age aka age 4 esp after learning some ASL first. It will work well I believe... but however, I don't think we would do both at deaf school where ASL is so dominated.

At last, you need to realize that ASL should be first and foremost language for the deaf puberties to learn and use because of the language development itself in turn to learn English better... quicker than those who start learning speaking first (even both speak and sign same time).

Many of my Deaf friends who went to deaf schools all their lives also have great speech skills.

Ironically, I know many deaf people from other programs being mainstreamed who dont have any speech skills at all.

It all depends on the child ...if they have the instrinstic motivation, they will develop speech skills.

My brother and I are such perfect examples of this...we were both placed in the same rigourous oral program during our first 5 years of our lives and have the same degree of hearing loss and the same family support but yet, I was able to develop speech skills while he couldnt.

 

[web730]

Many of my Deaf friends who went to deaf schools all their lives also have great speech skills.

Ironically, I know many deaf people from other programs being mainstreamed who dont have any speech skills at all.

Interesting!

My school (ISD) there were so few ones who had great speech skills... I would say it was less than 10% (definitely) in the old times (70-80s) of those who can speech real well (not little).

Maybe you "happened" to have your deaf friends, who attended deaf schools, have great speech skills?!

What about the MD deaf school; have you notice any difference there those days (present)?

 

[CrzyMeg]

Many of my Deaf friends who went to deaf schools all their lives also have great speech skills.

Ironically, I know many deaf people from other programs being mainstreamed who dont have any speech skills at all.

It all depends on the child ...if they have the instrinstic motivation, they will develop speech skills.

My brother and I are such perfect examples of this...we were both placed in the same rigourous oral program during our first 5 years of our lives and have the same degree of hearing loss and the same family support but yet, I was able to develop speech skills while he couldnt.

I have too many motivation, I speak at home and at school. But i am around my deaf friends i signs.

 

[shel90]

Interesting!

My school (ISD) there were so few ones who had great speech skills... I would say it was less than 10% (definitely) in the old times (70-80s) of those who can speech real well (not little).

Maybe you "happened" to have your deaf friends, who attended deaf schools, have great speech skills?!

What about the MD deaf school; have you notice any difference there those days (present)?

I am not a native of MD. I grew up in AZ so I dont know how MSD was back then.

Same with my brother's friends...many from Deaf schools have great speech while many dont ..same thing with his friends who have been mainstreamed.

I have a friend who went to American School for the Deaf in CT who spent the whole 4 hour trip to Ocean City chatting with his deaf girlfriend using spoken English without any signing cuz his girlfriend doesnt know much signs.

 

[web730]

I am not a native of MD. I grew up in AZ so I dont know how MSD was back then.

Same with my brother's friends...many from Deaf schools have great speech while many dont ..same thing with his friends who have been mainstreamed.

I have a friend who went to American School for the Deaf in CT who spent the whole 4 hour trip to Ocean City chatting with his deaf girlfriend using spoken English without any signing cuz his girlfriend doesnt know much signs.

If so, how many do you notice who could speak real well there so far? I would say that you couldn't tell all students where you teach but just say estimate, if you could.

 

[The Highlander]

Nothing to worry.

Use online class and save gas.

Anyone use online class before?

 

[shel90]

If so, how many do you notice who could speak real well there so far? I would say that you couldn't tell all students where you teach but just say estimate, if you could.

It is hard for me to say since I am profoundly deaf. I wouldnt want to make an inaccurate assessment so can I get back to u on that one after asking the hearing teachers or speech therapists?

My feeling is about around half of them...

 

[CrzyMeg]

Nothing to worry.

Use online class and save gas.

Anyone use online class before?

Not me. But I will someday.