From a voice of an oral deaf child ...

Just thought of a really good one....one I'm sure most of you would appreciate.

Don't EVER cover your lips when you are saying something you don't want me to understand or know. That's so rude. It also undermines me.
 
Great list, and an indication of just how much the oral-aural child is missing. Anyone want to argue with me again that the oral-aural deaf child does pick up information peripherally?
 
jillio said:
Great list, and an indication of just how much the oral-aural child is missing. Anyone want to argue with me again that the oral-aural deaf child does pick up information peripherally?
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Glad to.
 
jillio said:
Have at it. You'll still be misunderstanding and misinformed.
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1. this is a great list (thank you, Deafbajagal!)

2. it doesn't support your claim that an oral-aural deaf child cannot pick-up information peripherally

Go ahead and make the argument you think is there, as I said, I'd be happy to respond.
 
GrendelQ said:
1. this is a great list (thank you, Deafbajagal!)

2. it doesn't support your claim that an oral-aural deaf child cannot pick-up information peripherally

Go ahead and make the argument you think is there, as I said, I'd be happy to respond.
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Actually, it does support that. Just because you choose not to see it, nor to pay attention to what those who have experienced such tell you, does not mean that it does not support the fact that aural-oral children do not learn peripherally in the way that hearing children do.

When you can show me some actual research from qualified professionals that supports your erroneous belief, I will review it. Other than that, it is enough to say that you are incorrect in your beliefs.

Perhaps you should go back and re-read the list for indications of exactly how much an aural-oral deaf child misses that a hearing child would pick up peripherally. I can't believe that you could actually read this list and not see it. It is sooooo obvious.
 
jillio said:
Actually, it does support that. Just because you choose not to see it, nor to pay attention to what those who have experienced such tell you, does not mean that it does not support the fact that aural-oral children do not learn peripherally in the way that hearing children do.

When you can show me some actual research from qualified professionals that supports your erroneous belief, I will review it. Other than that, it is enough to say that you are incorrect in your beliefs.

Perhaps you should go back and re-read the list for indications of exactly how much an aural-oral deaf child misses that a hearing child would pick up peripherally. I can't believe that you could actually read this list and not see it. It is sooooo obvious.
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Yeah, I didn't think you could do it it either. It's ok.
 
GrendelQ said:
Yeah, I didn't think you could do it it either. It's ok.
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It was already done in the OP. See no sense in being redundant. Especially when it has been shown that the one questioning is here to preach her way rather than actually learn something from those who have experienced it.
 
Please help me by filling in the gaps when I ask you what is happening.

We can start with that one. Support for the fact that a deaf child does not learn peripherally, in an oral environment, in the way that a hearing child does. If you choose, I can take each one by point. But I assumed that you could read them yourself and see where a child who has gaps in peripheral and incidental information is not picking up said information peripherally and incidentally.:cool2:
 
jillio said:
It was already done in the OP. See no sense in being redundant. Especially when it has been shown that the one questioning is here to preach her way rather than actually learn something from those who have experienced it.
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I took the OP's post as a wonderful and very articulate message, as great insight, and did not take it as a preaching of her way in any sense. Neither did I respond in opposition to anything she has said. And I've not preached a thing. I'm not sure what you are afraid I might argue (hey everyone, ASL is my child's first language -- she's fluent, she attends a bi-bi school, she successfully wears CIs: proof that ASL and CIs can go hand in hand -- ah there, got my "preaching in", after all, hallelujah).

Jillio, I believe it was you who took a shot at reinterpreting a straightforward, positive message into an argument, asking for someone to step up against your claim that this list somehow proves that an oral-aural deaf child cannot pick-up information peripherally.
 
GrendelQ said:
I took the OP's post as a wonderful and very articulate message, as great insight, and did not take it as a preaching of her way in any sense. Neither did I respond in opposition to anything she has said. And I've not preached a thing. I'm not sure what you are afraid I might argue (hey everyone, ASL is my child's first language -- she's fluent, she attends a bi-bi school, she successfully wears CIs: proof that ASL and CIs can go hand in hand -- ah there, got my "preaching in", after all, hallelujah).

Jillio, I believe it was you who took a shot at reinterpreting a straightforward, positive message into an argument, asking for someone to step up against your claim that this list somehow proves that an oral-aural deaf child cannot pick-up information peripherally.
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Nor did I take the OP as preaching in any sense. It was not the OP I was referring to.

PFH is right. You know it all about deafness, so why bother even discussing with anyone?
 
jillio said:
Nor did I take the OP as preaching in any sense. It was not the OP I was referring to.

PFH is right. You know it all about deafness, so why bother even discussing with anyone?
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Why don't you EVER let the deaf speak for themselves? You demand, preach, and scream 10x as much as any of them. Not to mention those who choose to be oral get shouted down every time they post....
 
Something to do with putting a cape on instead of letting them speak for themselves?
 
Way to go, people! You took a very informative thread and trashed it with your polarizing viewpoints. :roll:

You should be ashamed of yourselves. :aw:
 
Oceanbreeze said:
Way to go, people! You took a very informative thread and trashed it with your polarizing viewpoints. :roll:

You should be ashamed of yourselves. :aw:
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It was not trashed by any oral deaf. And that was what the thread was about.

So the people it was intended to help, did nothing wrong.
 
True about the clapping and snapping thing..
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I remmy when I went off to hearing college I had to teach my friends to tap me on the shoulder when they wanted my attention.
Grendel, I don't think jillo is saying that dhh kids cannot pick up periphial/incidental info at all. They can pick up SOME. Just that it is a LOT harder for them. Meaning they can't do it with spoken English on a par with hearing people.
 
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