Freemasonry: occult or community service?

"The DaVinci Code" (book and movie) and the movie "National Treasure." See Dixie's post immediately above mine, last paragraph.
 
Freemasons

The origins of Freemasonry have been so cloaked in secrecy that hard facts on how or who actually formed these fraternal organization--with their mystical overtones--remain a mystery. It seems logical that its gestation began during feudal times, when lords were given power over various tradesmen who wished to labor in their region. Everyone from minstrels to masons wass required to answer to the nobels in their charge. These feudal overseers settled disputes, granted permission to work, and also levied taxes. However, those who held control over the stonemasons had the most power, for nothing of substance could be built without the ancient knowledge of the mason trade. The desire for the skilled artisans to break free from this system, which kept them impoverished, was the catalyst behind the secret societies known as the "Freemasons". Even if the freemasonry origin mythologies are varied, one prevalent legend traces their roots to biblical times and claims the group's ritual hand signals and symbolism were first used during the construction of the Tower of Babel, when in the middle of the project, workers found they could no longer speak each other's language. Others say the crusaders, or the builders of Egypt, or perhaps the Druids passed the secret knowledge of the craft down through the centuries. It never became the union or strong trad3 guild the feudal organizers had hoped for. Instead, it developed into one of the most popular secret societies of the next 3 centuries, beginning in the 1700's. In Britain, France, and later America, membership came to confer a sense of distinction among all class of tradesmen and eventually aristocrats. Many Freemason lodges splintered and altered ceremonies, though all employed ancient symbolism. New members were initiated to secrecy, promising to uphold certain moral standards and maintain a dedication ti self-improvement under penalty of no less than death. In the earlies days, Masonic groups met with persecution from the church primarily vecayse if uts secrecy and for referring to God as "The All-Seeing Eye" or the "Great Architect." Additional bad publicity came when some Masonic ladges began practicing elements of the occult, especially adhering to the writings of Hemes Trismegistus.

God's Lunatics, pgs 205-06.
 
Beach girl said:
"The DaVinci Code" (book and movie) and the movie "National Treasure." See Dixie's post immediately above mine, last paragraph.
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The Da Vinci Code novel was somewhat interesting, but I enjoyed reading, "Angels & Demons" more. However, I must say that both movies were poorly adapted.
 
Banjo said:
The Da Vinci Code novel was somewhat interesting, but I enjoyed reading, "Angels & Demons" more. However, I must say that both movies were poorly adapted.
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Agreed on both counts. And while they were fiction, they were definately grounded in history.
 
jillio said:
Agreed on both counts. And while they were fiction, they were definately grounded in history.
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Oh yes, that's why I enjoyed reading them because I'm somewhat of a history buff. :)
 
Banjo said:
Oh yes, that's why I enjoyed reading them because I'm somewhat of a history buff. :)
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Me, too. I always check for accuracy in the references. One of the most accurate authors I have run across, believe it or not, is Anne Rice. She covers so many different areas, and has really done her research, especially regarding church history.
 
jillio said:
Me, too. I always check for accuracy in the references. One of the most accurate authors I have run across, believe it or not, is Anne Rice. She covers so many different areas, and has really done her research, especially regarding church history.
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Anne Rice is an interesting woman, I've read about her on a few occasions. The last time I checked, she no longer associates with the Church of Christianity but considers herself a Christian. It's just that she doesn't want anything to do with the church because of the power and corruption. I don't blame her.
 
Banjo said:
Anne Rice is an interesting woman, I've read about her on a few occasions. The last time I checked, she no longer associates with the Church of Christianity but considers herself a Christian. It's just that she doesn't want anything to do with the church because of the power and corruption. I don't blame her.
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The way I understand it, it is the power and corruption that caused her to split from traditional Christianity. She was raised a Catholic.

Yes, she is an interesting woman, and very intelligent. Her books, while not necessarily a topic I would search out, I have found to be very illuminating and sensual. She has a very recognizable style in her writing. Many have tried to ride her coattails, but no one yet has come close to even mimicing what has made her books a success.
 
dogmom said:
Beach Girl - true.

yeah, the History Channel does have some interesting programs - think I caught maybe 5 minutes of the one on Freemasonry.
There's also various books on it.
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History Channel did an hour-long show about them. It is worthy to watch and learn about the Free Masonry.

And the Cities Of The Underworld, another History Channel program, did one episode on Free Masons and their significant roles in Philadelphia, Washington, D.C. and a few major U.S. cities.
 
Freemasonry is part of Illuminati. I do not trust any of them. Joseph Smith of Mormon was a freemasonry till he left. His life was in danger from those organization.
 
It has been documented that Freemasonry has deep roots going as far back as Ancient Egypt.
 
jillio said:
Freemasons

The origins of Freemasonry have been so cloaked in secrecy that hard facts on how or who actually formed these fraternal organization--with their mystical overtones--remain a mystery. It seems logical that its gestation began during feudal times, when lords were given power over various tradesmen who wished to labor in their region. Everyone from minstrels to masons wass required to answer to the nobels in their charge. These feudal overseers settled disputes, granted permission to work, and also levied taxes. However, those who held control over the stonemasons had the most power, for nothing of substance could be built without the ancient knowledge of the mason trade. The desire for the skilled artisans to break free from this system, which kept them impoverished, was the catalyst behind the secret societies known as the "Freemasons". Even if the freemasonry origin mythologies are varied, one prevalent legend traces their roots to biblical times and claims the group's ritual hand signals and symbolism were first used during the construction of the Tower of Babel, when in the middle of the project, workers found they could no longer speak each other's language. Others say the crusaders, or the builders of Egypt, or perhaps the Druids passed the secret knowledge of the craft down through the centuries. It never became the union or strong trad3 guild the feudal organizers had hoped for. Instead, it developed into one of the most popular secret societies of the next 3 centuries, beginning in the 1700's. In Britain, France, and later America, membership came to confer a sense of distinction among all class of tradesmen and eventually aristocrats. Many Freemason lodges splintered and altered ceremonies, though all employed ancient symbolism. New members were initiated to secrecy, promising to uphold certain moral standards and maintain a dedication ti self-improvement under penalty of no less than death. In the earlies days, Masonic groups met with persecution from the church primarily vecayse if uts secrecy and for referring to God as "The All-Seeing Eye" or the "Great Architect." Additional bad publicity came when some Masonic ladges began practicing elements of the occult, especially adhering to the writings of Hemes Trismegistus.

God's Lunatics, pgs 205-06.
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Oh yeah, I'm currently reading that book.
 
jillio said:
Me, too. I always check for accuracy in the references. One of the most accurate authors I have run across, believe it or not, is Anne Rice. She covers so many different areas, and has really done her research, especially regarding church history.
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For some reason I've never been able to get into her books. Vampires are not my thing.
 
Dixie said:
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Well from what little I have been around church goers, they seem to shun freemasonry in a way. I was told that a deacon of the church had been found out to be a mason and he was removed from his position as deacon and was told if he continued being a mason they would have no choice but to ask him to leave the church as masonry wasn't an accepted belief there. I don't know how true this is, and maybe this has happened at a church somewhere else.

As my personal opinion, when I think of Freemasonry, I think of a bunch of old men wearing funny hats and aprons doing secret rituals at the lodge on their weekly night to get away from the family and they also do civic duties such as donating money to schools and they will do hands-on work if they are able to.

If I am not mistaken, Freemasonry also has roots connected to old stone masons that built castles and such. To show they had been there, they would leave certain symbols in their work engraved in a stone where one could see it, but it's not obvious to the untrained eye.

I think a lot of church goers are afraid of them because of the symbolism and its secretiveness. The DaVinci Code touched on these symbols and their meanings somewhat. Also, wasn't the move 'National Treasure' also based on Freemasonry here in the United States?
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My grandfather wasn't a fundie so I guess he found a church that would accept him.. I guess he found it compatiable with his main job. His death notice even mentioned that.
 
I came across Freemason book (some kind of Masonic "bible") at work several years ago. My co worker and I thought it was some kind of satanic book until other co worker told us that its a good organization. We quickly skimmed thru book before our supervisor catch us. Yes, there were secret ordinance ( signs and symbols pictures ect..) involved and theres no blood involved. It seem more like its part of their "sacred duty" to serve others. I have heard alot of Masons but never been in Mason Lodge before.

Catty
 
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jazzy said:
Freemasonry is part of Illuminati. I do not trust any of them. Joseph Smith of Mormon was a freemasonry till he left. His life was in danger from those organization.
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No, its Brigham Young was a Mason before joining the Church. Joseph Smith was never a Mason. pls no argument here thanks.

Catty
 
PLease amen on thread locked
please respect to strong listen to proper on language proper your behavior your respect to listen to fair to proper positive!

or you have problem often again

simply said "dont' need to again talk negative"
 
smithtr said:
PLease amen on thread locked
please respect to strong listen to proper on language proper your behavior your respect to listen to fair to proper positive!

or you have problem often again

simply said "dont' need to again talk negative"
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Yes, I undy. I basically say "Pls no argument here" means that I don't want negative or argument here in this posting. None zip.... Of course everyone knows that. I comment positive things about FreeMason so did everyone on this Thread. Smile.

If this Thread turns ugly like they did in Religion Thread last time. Moderator would lock the post and even remove Thread.

Catty
 
I remember watching movie about old west that woman asked young man a favor to find her son and bring him back. Young man at first refused and she said you are member of Freemason and you promise me to get the boy. Young man submit and do as he promised her. I forgot what movie called. I think it's part of Hallmark channel.

Catty
 
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