For those who suport NCLB..take a hard look at this cartoon

posts from hell said:
Isnt the Deaf culture about acceptance into the community? are you actually promoting division?
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It would certainly appear so. Maybe the problem is a bit of dissatisfaction because this identity cannot claim membership in the Deaf community, while I can.:hmm:

But the usual petty arguments that are completely off topic are starting again. I see a pattern that occurs with this poster everytime he/she posts. Let's get back to the topic of standardized testing, minimum standards, and educational methods.
 
I'm gonna back off and let the insanity ride. I hear this place loves to ban people who dare disagree with the "party line" so I'm taking off before I meet my first ruler slap.

Later :wave:
 
Deafguy25 said:
I'm gonna back off and let the insanity ride. I hear this place loves to ban people who dare disagree with the "party line" so I'm taking off before I meet my first ruler slap.

Later :wave:
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See you later, FJ.
 
jillio said:
We? You have a mouse in your pocket?

Yep. I live as a Deaf person every day. Obviously you are totally ignorant as to what Deaf is. It has nothing to do with amount of hearing.
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We could use her questioning:

When does that happen? Just Deaf from birth? How about hard of hearing from birth and became later Deaf? How about born hearing with a fast progressive loss? How about born hearing but deafened by illness before age 2? When does the hearing loss become the person? How about having a CI, does that affect your Deaf status?
 
posts from hell said:
We could use her questioning:

When does that happen? Just Deaf from birth? How about hard of hearing from birth and became later Deaf? How about born hearing with a fast progressive loss? How about born hearing but deafened by illness before age 2? When does the hearing loss become the person? How about having a CI, does that affect your Deaf status?
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:thumb:
 
Deafguy25 said:
I'm gonna back off and let the insanity ride. I hear this place loves to ban people who dare disagree with the "party line" so I'm taking off before I meet my first ruler slap.

Later :wave:
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Funny thing; I never see any of the staff posting over here. I think they prefer to remove troublemakers to make the site easier to manage. I completely understand that perspective. Did you complain when "jillio" was gone for a month? If you did, I missed it. Feel free to direct me.

Face the facts; your audist views, coming from a full-hearing person, are about as popular as Rev Al Sharpton posting Black is Beautiful stuff on KKK websites. You flew into a deaf website and made announcing your audist views the only agenda. Did you really expect a welcoming?

There are a few others here that feel the same as you, and they aren't turning tail and hiding under their desk. Why are you? We can use the audists to help us gain strength in our anti-audism convictions. Anyhow, have a nice day. I assume you will return again under a new veil of secrecy. Good luck fooling the panel. :wave:
 
See, here's the thing. I am puzzled as to why someone who insists that there is no difference between the deaf and the hearing in educational terms would be claiming that they want to be a TOD. If there is no difference, then we don't need deaf ed.:dunno2:

Likewise, if deaf and hearing are the same, why would you not promote equal testing instruments and situations for both groups? Why would you want to disadvantage the deaf by using instruments that were not designed for that population? Using tests normed on a hearing population certainly doesn't show the deaf in a good light. Their scores on these instruments are artificially low.
 
jillio said:
See, here's the thing. I am puzzled as to why someone who insists that there is no difference between the deaf and the hearing in educational terms would be claiming that they want to be a TOD. If there is no difference, then we don't need deaf ed.:dunno2:

Likewise, if deaf and hearing are the same, why would you not promote equal testing instruments and situations for both groups? Why would you want to disadvantage the deaf by using instruments that were not designed for that population? Using tests normed on a hearing population certainly doesn't show the deaf in a good light. Their scores on these instruments are artificially low.
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The truth hurts....
 
posts from hell said:
The truth hurts....
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I guess.:dunno2:

Being concerned for the state of deaf ed means being aware of and advocating against the unfair practices that have disadvantaged deaf kids in the educational system for so long. Or at least, that's the way I see it.

If I want my child to achieve on par with a hearing child, then one of the things I am going to insure is that testing and assessment used to determine his level of functiong provides accurate results and scores.

If, on the ohter hand, I want to just to appear to be hearing and "the same as everyone else" I will let him be tested innappropriately just to give that appearance.

Makes virtually no sense not to use tests that have validity for the deaf when testing deaf kids.
 
Deafguy25 said:
Could not disagree more. The reason we are a community is because we have shared traditions and experiences that NO hearing person can ever have. She can not ever be Deaf because she can never have lived as a Deaf person.
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What about CODAs?? What are they? They grew up in the Deaf Culture.
 
I was actually told by a few different places here in town, (The Deaf Service Center, The Hearing Wellness Center, The Palm Beach County Association of the Deaf, The Broward County Association of the Deaf and 2 representatives of the Florida Associations of the Deaf as well as 4 teachers from FSDB that ALL CODA's and PODA's who use ASL and participate in the Deaf Community are to be considered Deaf.

By that statement, Jillio is Deaf even though she is hearing.
 
I would have to admit that when I read that a CODA considered herself as a Deaf. It was confusing to me. When Jillio explained the difference between 'sex' and 'gender'. I think Deaf is like the 'gender' and whether the person has hearing loss or not is more like the 'sex'.
 
Deafguy25 said:
No, having been raised by two Deaf parents, lived my entire life deaf, I'm not Deaf. But you, a hearing person, are.

Like I said before, this place is something else. :roll:
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My experience with Deaf Communities in the past is that, like many other groups, each community has different standards. Some of those standards may include criteria that have nothing to do with hearing -- Such as belonging to a certain church or ethnic group or supporting a specific football team.


Thus if someone were to go where you live -- You, and the fellow members of your Deaf Community could determine who would be considered Deaf -- In your community. The Deaf Community across the street, or across town, may have an entirely different criteria.

But THIS is not your community until or unless you are accepted by it and you have no right to determine, or to question, who is, or who is not, a part of it.
 
Buffalo said:
I would have to admit that when I read that a CODA considered herself as a Deaf. It was confusing to me. When Jillio explained the difference between 'sex' and 'gender'. I think Deaf is like the 'gender' and whether the person has hearing loss or not is more like the 'sex'.
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That is a great analogy! I love it!
 
Buffalo said:
What about CODAs?? What are they? They grew up in the Deaf Culture.
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Speaking of CODAs, when I lived in Charlotte, I had a CODA terp and I met his sisters. They all consider themselves Deaf and they're all hearing.
 
Keith Wann is a hearing CODA whose wife interprets his ASL into English.
 
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