For ORALISTS: Do people ever take you seriously?

shel90 said:
To those who became deaf later on, it is easier for your to take a stand and carry yourself well that u get respected. It is harder after spending all of your lives being treated as 3rd class citizen especially as a child. As a child, I was told if I worked hard at perfecting my speech skills I would be accepted in the hearing world but out in the real world, I was never taken seriously no matter how hard I worked at my speech skills so I started blaming myself for not working harder. Looking back, I realized it wasn't me that was the problem....it was them.
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same story for me too
 
this is a very revealing thread, why not copy paste the link of this thread and do a broadcast post on all your hearing friends and families?? crazy?
 
TXgolfer said:
People will only respect you as much as you respect yourself. The people I deal with today never knew me as hearing. You have to go confidently and expect respect.
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I was a kid..hello? I was a kid with a lot of expectations to be something I wasn't put on me.

Did u misunderstand what I was saying again? Seems like u continue to miss my points in this and other threads.

It seems like our dialogue is never going to be successful so why bother responding to me?
 
shel90 said:
I was a kid..hello? I was a kid with a lot of expectations to be something I wasn't put on me.

Did u misunderstand what I was saying again? Seems like u continue to miss my points in this and other threads.

It seems like our dialogue is never going to be successful so why bother responding to me?
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And you have done quite well. You should be proud of yourself.

Also, respect comes at any age among peers. It is not exclusive to adults.
 
TXgolfer said:
And you have done quite well. You should be proud of yourself.

Also, respect comes at any age among peers. It is not exclusive to adults.
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Kids respect the stupidest things and not what they should.
 
TXgolfer said:
People will only respect you as much as you respect yourself. The people I deal with today never knew me as hearing. You have to go confidently and expect respect.
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You do have to respect yourself but that doesnt mean you'll get it from others. People have to earn it from me and shouldnt expect it before they do.
 
people treat me with suspicion, if i can speak so well, (which i canbut i dont that great, and i dont think much of it) hearies who have contempt for me (for what the F##$ reason I dont know) they get shitty and thinks im *using my disability*...Wrong...
i get real annoyed with hearing people who Do THAT to me, like they must think i cant hear ANYTHING, i mean well...like I must not know how Much they can hear, think im this stupid, I get disgusted by those hearies

hearing people can be real****ing mean
 
but im getting to stage of life, that i dont care anymore..like...why waste my Energy on this grieft, yes im still passionate about study which i do study..and no, i wont talk about it here...but being passionate and reactive are entirely different things, that's what ive learnt...and indeed being 'oral' doesnt mean hearing people wil respect you as 'you *have achieved alot* they dont give a flying **** about it...and this must confused alot of oral deaf about what they value in, being pitied, or being angry or being misunderstood, or being 'not quite made it' its real awful
if you were allowed to be Deaf, and made it in some other ways...youd wouldbe have been brought up with this confused thinking which really does do ALOT of psychological damage, a kind of damage that is long lasting, often time lifelong and irreversible, THAT is a form of societal abuse, it should be researched on, documentated, and be made outlawed...

but how do we go about it?

HOW??!?
 
Presumably every "DEAF" person must answer in their own mind-how am I to "deal with the involuntary condition" of DEAFness? To the best of my knowledge no one makes the choice-should i be DEAF.

Regressing to say a hundred years ago is "one way" to react. Another reaction could be using technology-today- to assist one.- Hearing aids/Cochlear Implants ( if suitable)

In the end one CHOICE on how to "live the rest your one's life".

aside: read various comments here in Alldeaf.com plus a Study in Sociology-"culture".
 
DR PHIL, YOU NEED TO RECONSIDER HOW YOU'D READ THE ALTERNATIVE EXPLANATION OF SOCIETALLY DEFIINDED dEAFNESS...
DOES THIS GIVE YOU ANY CLUE? IM SURE IT WOULD
 
...AND at that a historical view can also be offered to which of course you already made yourself aware of this, Harlan Lane's works, why not try re-read it again,,just pretend you're a pissed off deafie who didnt get a chance into meteorology ...
and please do for this once, that to take part of the team requires you to understand how weather is described...like with good English in the same was a a smart chinese woudl might understand English be writing English based reports on saym nuclear scientific reporting of a volcanic activitiy....but the real question is not how the nucleat activity is oserved, and given this, of course a deaf reporter is not going to expect to write at full scale of a meteorooigist's report right? BUT again, there's some problems of Osmosis....
 
I am trying to type this but I get click on the wrong key and I had to start over several time but I could not give up. I am mad.

I don't understand why hearing people have to make me suffer under their power of mentality of being European mindset thinking that they can control over us, Deafies and HOH people. That is all they want is power to do what they want us to do for them. I am Native American and Whites have power over us to do what they want us or else threaten our lives with wars and diseases. They want me to be assimilate into the white and hearing society. I hate or don't like what they are doing to us. We are human being and not savage. We don't want to be assimilate into their environment. They don't care how we suffer as Natives in their society. We want to have our tradition, native language, religion and drumming back the way we were brought up. Residential schools make the Native children suffered more than what I had to go through in mainstream schools.

Being an Oralist, it sucks. It does not matter if we speak because it is about trying to understand what the hearing people are saying. It is like one way street instead of two way streets. We can talk to the person but having someone talk back to you is not working out very clearly or get lost. So it does not matter if you speak well or not.

I am very happy to sign in ASL because we can communicate in two way streets instead of one way street. Visually is a whole lot better than orally. Speaking is not important.

That is all I have to say. :(
 
Beo, doesn't it seem like the oral experiance for dhh kids is exactly like the Indian School experiance?
 
depend of people expertiment to lip reading know sometimes you can sometimes, people don't understand oral. Depend on people skills oral. It is very alots of people have oral and
HOH/Deaf have lots of skills have oral. we are lots of Many times ASL but don't understand lip reading
 
deafdyke said:
Beo, doesn't it seem like the oral experiance for dhh kids is exactly like the Indian School experiance?
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We don't called Indian School. We called the Residential Schools. Native children were being taken away from families and were being forced to go into the residential schools. Residential schools (USA, Canada, Australia and any other countries) had killed many Native children for not obeying them. They (Residential schools) were worse than the mainstream schools. Some of the Native children managed to survived throughout the rest of the education. Some managed to find their way back home to the reservations. Many Native children lost all of their traditions, Native religions and languages plus singing their own Native songs.

Residential schools and mainstream schools are totally different but we do suffered by being forced to do what they want us to do (like having the power over us like being an animals) and refused to listen or understand our needs. :(
 
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