Food For Thought For those who hate Obamacare so much

[TXgolfer]

what are some of your ideas for healthcare reform?

You really don't know? We have discussed it at length.

 

[Grayma]

I guess you're not too fond of food stamp, medicaid/medicare, and ssdi/ssi too?

We've been down this road before, too.

So are you going to answer the question I asked you first?
Do you think those programs are unconstitutional?

I dislike programs that are unconstitutional.

 

[Jiro]

You really don't know? We have discussed it at length.

please do in a bullet form for new audience. you're not talking to just me.

 

[Jiro]

We've been down this road before, too.

So are you going to answer the question I asked you first?

I didn't answer your question because you've never answered my question that would enable me to answer your question.

Do you think those programs are unconstitutional?

no I don't think those programs are unconstitutional.

I dislike programs that are unconstitutional.

I'm guessing it's because you felt too many people are gimme gimme gimme. They give little (or none) and take lot.

 

[Foxrac]

please do in a bullet form for new audience. you're not talking to just me.

Yup, I like to know about it too.

 

[Jiro]

Daily Kos: Obamacare will save Medicare $200 billion by 2016

Here's an inconvenient fact for Mitt Romney and the Republicans: Obamacare will save $200 billion for Medicare by 2016 and $208 billion for Medicare patients by 2020.

The Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services actuary reports:

"We have achieved significant tangible savings that have been passed on to beneficiaries," said Jonathan Blum, director of the Center for Medicare. "There's a tremendous opportunity for even greater savings." [...]
The new numbers are based on savings so far: 32.5 million people used preventive services last year with no costs to themselves, senior citizens saved $3.2 billion for prescription drugs that fall in the "doughnut hole" in 2010 and 2011, and the government recovered $4.1 billion in 2011 in anti-fraud efforts.

CMS also projected savings based on portions of the health care law that will be enacted soon, such as penalties for hospitals for readmitting patients for the same health episode, and paying providers based on quality standards.

Here's a breakdown of savings from the actuary report.

The actual experience Medicare beneficiaries, and particularly seniors, have had with the Affordable Care Act has lessened some of the fear, and according to the March Kaiser Family Foundation tracking poll, for the first time the law is seen more favorably by seniors than not.
Of course, this could all be moot if the Supreme Court goes as radical as the March hearings seemed to indicate, and decides to overturn the whole law.

But this report makes the Romney/Ryan plan to end Medicare as we know it a much harder sell on the merits of making changes to the program, especially to seniors whom they say will be better off with vouchers. Good luck selling that one now, Mitt.

is this another case of "You Lie"? (even though Rep. Joe Wilson is a liar)

 

[Jiro]

Proof That "You Lie!" Was A Lie | Political Correction

During President Obama's speech, Rep. Joe Wilson (R-SC) shouted "you lie!" when President Obama insisted his plan would not provide health coverage to illegal immigrants. In reality, Rep. Wilson is the liar.

The Bill Would NOT Cover Undocumented Aliens

President Obama: There are also those who claim that our reform effort will insure illegal immigrants. This, too, is false - the reforms I'm proposing would not apply to those who are here illegally.

Rep. Joe Wilson: You Lie!

In reality, Rep. Wilson is the liar. Neither the President's plan, nor H.R. 3200 cover undocumented aliens.

House Bill: "No Federal Payment for Undocumented Aliens." According to America's Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009, Page 143, Line 3, Section 246: "No Federal Payment for Undocumented Aliens. Nothing in this subtitle shall allow Federal payments for affordability credits on behalf of individuals who are not lawfully present in the United States." [America's Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009, accessed 7/22/09]

 

[rolling7]

So Obama is going to, once again, go against the Supreme Court.
The court has already ruled that hospitals have to give emergency care to anyone and everyone who shows up, legal or illegal. Guess who pays.

 

[Jiro]

So Obama is going to, once again, go against the Supreme Court.
The court has already ruled that hospitals have to give emergency care to anyone and everyone who shows up, legal or illegal. Guess who pays.

is this an epidemic issue though? the one that costs us a great deal of money?

 

[rolling7]

is this an epidemic issue though? the one that costs us a great deal of money?

Yes and yes

 

[Jiro]

Yes and yes

I'm guessing there's no source for that?

 

[Foxrac]

So Obama is going to, once again, go against the Supreme Court.
The court has already ruled that hospitals have to give emergency care to anyone and everyone who shows up, legal or illegal. Guess who pays.

That's incorrect about Supreme Court ruling on ER visits - there are no court ruling yet.

It is required under Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act, it is part of COBRA that passed in 1986.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergency_Medical_Treatment_and_Active_Labor_Act

 

[Foxrac]

I'm guessing there's no source for that?

Hello rolling7, I like to see source that you provided.

If not then we consider your post as bogus.

 

[rolling7]

is this an epidemic issue though? the one that costs us a great deal of money?

Any AD member see a request for a source here??? Did not think so.
Jiro, you ask a direct questions to me, so I gave you my direct answers.....
....no need for a source.

 

[rolling7]

Hello rolling7, I like to see source that you provided.

If not then we consider your post as bogus.

see number #34

 

[Jiro]

Any AD member see a request for a source here??? Did not think so.
Jiro, you ask a direct questions to me, so I gave you my direct answers.....
....no need for a source.

see Post #31.

you made a claim that illegals are costing us a great deal of money and that it's an epidemic problem in America when it comes to medical care because hospitals are required to render medical assistance to whoever comes into ER.

just for clarification purpose - is that an opinion or a fact?

 

[rolling7]

see Post #31.

you made a claim that illegals are costing us a great deal of money and that it's an epidemic problem in America when it comes to medical care because hospitals are required to render medical assistance to whoever comes into ER.

just for clarification purpose - is that an opinion or a fact?

Go to #28 and stop with the lying. I made no such claims. Stop with the lying. My post was a IMO of Obama's claim that illegals would NOT receive funds under OC. Obama is doing what politicians do...lie.

 

[Jiro]

Go to #28 and stop with the lying. I made no such claims. Stop with the lying.

lol what? but you did....

So Obama is going to, once again, go against the Supreme Court.
The court has already ruled that hospitals have to give emergency care to anyone and everyone who shows up, legal or illegal. Guess who pays.

is this an epidemic issue though? the one that costs us a great deal of money?

Yes and yes

My post was a IMO of Obama's claim that illegals would NOT receive funds under OC. Obama is doing what politicians do...lie.

for answering my question. now that your post above is an opinion, not a fact... you are not obliged to provide a source for it but it can help reinforce it though.

The reason why I find your post questionable about illegals being the cause of epidemic problem is because the math does not add up. I believe the biggest financial hole is American people defrauding the government, not illegals. I don't see how is it possible that illegals are costing us billions of dollars since illegals receive only very rudimentary medical attention. The math simply does not add up.

 

[rolling7]

lol what? but you did....








for answering my question. now that your post above is an opinion, not a fact... you are not obliged to provide a source for it but it can help reinforce it though.

The reason why I find your post questionable about illegals being the cause of epidemic problem is because the math does not add up. I believe the biggest financial hole is American people defrauding the government, not illegals. I don't see how is it possible that illegals are costing us billions of dollars since illegals receive only very rudimentary medical attention. The math simply does not add up.

So you are saying my IMO does not carry water to your IMO.....this is not a question, just the way I see your post as saying so.

 

[Jiro]

So you are saying my IMO does not carry water to your IMO.....this is not a question, just the way I see your post as saying so.

What I'm saying is that I disagree. The only way that your and my post would carry weight is if it's backed with facts. I did not provide a fact and neither did you so our opinions hold no weight and it should be taken with a grain of salt