Explosions at Boston Marathon finish line

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diehardbiker said:
We have banned so many things, still criminals find way around the ban.

Criminals will always do anything to get whatever to get somebody killed or injury. This part I am not sure why many don't get it.

So, question is, has gun control prevents incidents like this? The answer is with crystal clear... NOPE!
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Liberals never listen to that arguement, and you'll find they'll just insist guns are the cause of all violence. They refuse to accept they're are many more that obey the laws and still others, the criminals themselves, that just don't give a damn. John Gotti's second in command "Sammy the Bulll" once commented how much he loved the NY gun laws. His victims had absolutely nothing to stop him and it made killing them so much easier and fun. Still, people will continue arguing that those of us who own guns deserve jail, as Rosie O'Donnell said once, "I don't care what you do or if you did anything, you deserve to go to jail just for having a gun." (This is the same woman that sent armed guards with her children everywhere, even in buildings where it was illegal for law abiding gun owners to carry - and that's only permitted for children of the president).

I'm reminded yesterday about a story where a lady cop killed her boyfriend, her baby and herself. So much for the theory that only cops should have guns....in my city, one cop beat his mother to death before he had to surrender his weapon, and you can't convince me that no one knew he was abusing his mother. I of course "knew nothing about guns" even though I completed all the required NRA safety courses and had no history of violence....

The irony is we put all the effort in hating gun owners into fixing the health care system and made it easier to lock up dangerous ill people, we'd see less of these types of incidents. Unfortunately, no matter how dangerously ill a person is, a family can't have him/her committed without their consent. I'd bet my next paycheck check this is a domestic incident with a wack job that should have been confined years ago, but it "wasn't my job" attitude prevented it.

Let's remember, no guns were used here in Boston and yet there were lives lost and changed forever....imagine that....criminals will use whatever is on hand.
 
Foxrac said:
Why are you mix those with gun discussion?

If bags and backpacks are banned so anyone with backpacks/bags or on street will raise the suspicious because bags and backpacks already shown and anyone can see.

NYC already banned on backpacks during New Year event.
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I did not know this. However, articles also say that backpacks would be checked as well so I'm not sure how well they enforced it. I'm sure they checked bags, but did they confiscate any? It's a pretty hard thing to enforce with that many people in NY on NYE, or anyplace for that matter.

I bike around the city a lot and I carry everything in my backpack such as lunch, tools for the bike, clothes, suntan, etc. It sucks that they are actually being banned, but I can certainly understand the need for it.

Perhaps they will ban packs next year, but banning anything you can carry anything in is pretty draconian. What would people use to carry things they bought in shops? We can't ban all bags. They can try to make them see through, but there would be no privacy.

Banning things isn't a solution. Looking into mental health and fringe groups is the solution. You're not going to stop people from doing dumb things.
 
A history of pressure cooker bombs - World - CBC News

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VacationGuy234 said:
I did not know this. However, articles also say that backpacks would be checked as well so I'm not sure how well they enforced it. I'm sure they checked bags, but did they confiscate any? It's a pretty hard thing to enforce with that many people in NY on NYE, or anyplace for that matter.

I bike around the city a lot and I carry everything in my backpack such as lunch, tools for the bike, clothes, suntan, etc. It sucks that they are actually being banned, but I can certainly understand the need for it.

Perhaps they will ban packs next year, but banning anything you can carry anything in is pretty draconian. What would people use to carry things they bought in shops? We can't ban all bags. They can try to make them see through, but there would be no privacy.

Banning things isn't a solution. Looking into mental health and fringe groups is the solution. You're not going to stop people from doing dumb things.
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no no no.

I've been to NYC for New Year and the security was very tight. bags were not allowed. anybody with a backpack was turned away.

obviously - we're not talking about banning carrying a backpack in public. it's just a security procedure for major events like this. I'm sure that in response to this situation, people can now only carry a clear plastic bag and backpack/duffel bag/luggage/etc. will not be allowed into security perimeter.
 
Jiro said:
no no no.

I've been to NYC for New Year and the security was very tight. bags were not allowed. anybody with a backpack was turned away.

obviously - we're not talking about banning carrying a backpack in public. it's just a security procedure for major events like this. I'm sure that in response to this situation, people can now only carry a clear plastic bag and backpack/duffel bag/luggage/etc. will not be allowed into security perimeter.
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Was there a fense around NY city? How could they stop everyone who had a backpack from entering?
 
Jiro said:
and also they're experimenting with pig's blood to make it compatible with human. yike.
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That is not Kosher. If that does happen the person or family member should be asked if it's OK to use pig blood . I am not Kosher but I don't think I would
pig blood in me.
 
VacationGuy234 said:
I did not know this. However, articles also say that backpacks would be checked as well so I'm not sure how well they enforced it. I'm sure they checked bags, but did they confiscate any? It's a pretty hard thing to enforce with that many people in NY on NYE, or anyplace for that matter.

I bike around the city a lot and I carry everything in my backpack such as lunch, tools for the bike, clothes, suntan, etc. It sucks that they are actually being banned, but I can certainly understand the need for it.

Perhaps they will ban packs next year, but banning anything you can carry anything in is pretty draconian. What would people use to carry things they bought in shops? We can't ban all bags. They can try to make them see through, but there would be no privacy.

Banning things isn't a solution. Looking into mental health and fringe groups is the solution. You're not going to stop people from doing dumb things.
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I don't think calling the bombing a 'dumb thing' is the correct way to put it. This is being called a terrorist act and someone or some people where out to kill and hurt as many people as possible.


The FBI found part of the pressure cooker on a roof of some house! It was the cover, , that bomb really traveled far. I hope the FBI can find a finger print on it.
 
You had no idea what I heard in my life, Shrapnels is still worse because it goes beyond the distance of shockwave. My former Dean of Student, himself is Deaf and had his hearing son who signed up and went to war with Iraq, his dad begged him not. His dad was deeply opposed to gun, and any weapons and of course closed minded. Since his son already over 18 yrs old, nothing his dad can stop him.

He was not near the explosion but shrapnel penetrated into his chest and it was very tiny shrapnel. He didn't feel a thing for a good while then got sick with infection, send back to America, 2 months later I think he died from infection from tiny shrapnel.

And don't you know why most hand grenade got plenty of glass and metal shrapnels in it. Why bother put them (Shrapnel) in grenades if shockwaves is worse than shrapnels?

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blast_injury

Read second paragraph

Primary injuries
Primary injuries are caused by blast overpressure waves, or shock waves. These are especially likely when a person is close to an exploding munition, such as a land mine.[2] The ears are most often affected by the overpressure, followed by the lungs and the hollow organs of the gastrointestinal tract. Gastrointestinal injuries may present after a delay of hours or even days.[2] Injury from blast overpressure is a pressure and time dependent function. By increasing the pressure or its duration, the severity of injury will also increase.[2]
In general, primary blast injuries are characterized by the absence of external injuries; thus internal injuries are frequently unrecognized and their severity underestimated. According to the latest experimental results, the extent and types of primary blast-induced injuries depend not only on the peak of the overpressure, but also other parameters such as number of overpressure peaks, time-lag between overpressure peaks, characteristics of the shear fronts between overpressure peaks, frequency resonance, and electromagnetic pulse, among others. There is general agreement that spalling, implosion, inertia, and pressure differentials are the main mechanisms involved in the pathogenesis of primary blast injuries. Thus, the majority of prior research focused on the mechanisms of blast injuries within gas-containing organs/organ systems such as the lungs, while primary blast-induced traumatic brain injury has remained underestimated. Blast lung refers to severe pulmonary contusion, bleeding or swelling with damage to alveoli and blood vessels, or a combination of these.[3] It is the most common cause of death among people who initially survive an explosion.[4]
[edit]Secondary injuries
Secondary injuries are caused by fragmentation and other objects propelled by the explosion.[5] These injuries may affect any part of the body and sometimes result in penetrating trauma with visible bleeding. At times the propelled object may become embedded in the body, obstructing the loss of blood to the outside. However, there may be extensive blood loss within the body cavities. Fragmentation wounds may be lethal and therefore many anti-personnel bombs are designed to generate fragments.
Most casualties are caused by secondary injuries.[5] Some explosives, such as nail bombs, are deliberately designed to increase the likelihood of secondary injuries.[5] In other instances, the target provides the raw material for the objects thrown into people, e.g., shattered glass from a blasted-out window or the glass facade of a building.[5]

Jiro said:
no not really.


biggest factors in determining lethality of IED are:

1. the amount of explosion used
2. type of explosion
3. the proximity of targets
4. closed environment or open environment
5. direction of explosion

you should be more scared of a shockwave than shrapnels. a strong shockwave from the bomb can damage your internal body so much that you just die slowly and painfully from internal bleeding or collapsed lungs.
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When we attend airshows, no backpacks are allowed there, and all other carried stuff has to be checked by military personnel before entering the area. They set up tables under big tents for inspection areas. Anyone attending has to go thru the tent to enter the airshow field.
 
Yes. But, that is on a military base correct? There is an entry point for Patriot Point in SC, right?

For something like NYE no such entry point exist for a major city. And, if they tell you to leave and you live in the city where would you go?
 
Security have a big job!! Let's say that Joe Doe live 2 blocks from Fenway Park. Joe Doe decide to carry his backpack to Fenway Park. He get kicked out for carrying a backpack. Where does he go? He lives 2 blocks away so they cannot kick him out of city. They can however kick him out of Fenway Park. He decides to make those bombs. He kills people who walk to Fenway Park.

How does anyone watch over Joe Doe? How many Joe Does may be there out in the area? Now, that one tough security job!!

My point is how does security at all those events control what gets in and out?

I bet that city of Boston thought that they had a tight security. Obviously, it was not tight enough. Now back to drawing board. Everyone else is looking at Boston and seeing how to make a better security. I bet they talked to Boston about their security and maybe even offered some feedbacks.
 
I don't think there is anyway you can stop it, but you can try to minimize it.

Sometimes you can do everything right and still fail, that's life.
 
Impossible. more bad people that comes in and more good peole gets less. They did their best to keep their eyes on everything.

you know military peeps are getting smaller and smaller. Also everything that we have to deal with bad people everyday. :(
 
VacationGuy234 said:
I don't think there is anyway you can stop it, but you can try to minimize it.

Sometimes you can do everything right and still fail, that's life.
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It would very hard to check every person backpack and bags that where at the race, I saw people with backpacks on TV after the bombing happen. Someone could of had a bomb in their backpack and be right where are wounded people where. The cops where so busy trying to help people they did not stop the people .
 
Boston Marathon Bombing Suspect Identified, Arrested, Law Enforcement Source Tells CNN (UPDATE)

A suspect has been identified in the Boston Marathon bombing, an unidentified law enforcement source tells CNN.

The station reported that officials believe a video from a department store and a TV station helped identify the suspect.

UPDATE: The Associated Press and CNN report that an arrest has been made. The yet unidentified suspect is reportedly expected in federal court soon.
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