Europe could consider Nazi symbol ban....

Banjo said:
No, it isn't banned in the USA.



To a point... to a degree?

Sorry, but no. People can express their beliefs, and you can't stop them from doing so as long they aren't inciting violence.
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Oh my God. I fear myself for my children.
 
Liebling said:
Oh my God. I fear myself for my children.
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Oh no, I have not heard one person who had wore a Nazi symbol ban, and yes we do have pictures of the symbol on our history book but that only to learn the history of what happened a long time ago, nothing more!

Please don't feel scare if you're coming to America! ;)
 
^Angel^ said:
Oh no, I have not heard one person who had wore a Nazi symbol ban, and yes we do have pictures of the symbol on our history book but that only to learn the history of what happened a long time ago, nothing more!

Please don't feel scare if you're coming to America! ;)
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Of course we still come over to America to visit you for holiday. It's safe when you and Americans are around because you all know about your country.

Logically yes, there're history are everywhere to learn. Everybody has the right to know about bad histories but not wear nazi symbol, add posters to the public. My children has rights to know about this.
 
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Liebling:-))) said:
I dont have DVD like this in Germany. When it start to sell DVD in the stores?

What's the story about?
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It's kind of hard to explain and it would actually make alot more sense if you watch the movie yourself, so I hope Germany allows this movie to be in your country because it's one of the best films I've ever seen so far.

It's about a man (edward norton) who is so angry about alot of things in his past, his childhood, his father, etc...he lived in a total fucked up family who don't know any better...and his brother, (edward furlong) is kind of like him also because they both have some hatred for some things and they thought that maybe to do something about it is to have power! and that's when he thought being a nazi would give you power and tell people what to do and what not to do, etc... of course, he has some hatred against jews and blacks and then one day, he and his friends wanted to play basketball, but the blacks were there and they said they were here first, but the whites said to fuck off because they can do whatever they want and then the blacks made a bet to see whose court belongs to, and then after afew rounds, the whites won and the blacks were kicked off the court...after that, later one night, the blacks were angry and went to the man's (edward norton) house and attacked his family and even stole his father's car, but the man captured the black man who was behind this plan and then he forced him to open his mouth and then put it on the side of the sidewalk and he broke his skull in half! so he killed him and the cops arrested him for murder...when he is in prison, he had to do some laundry work with a black man and he never said anything to him...but the black man was a chatter box...lol after afew times they spend together and then the black man was joking about something about the KKK saying that the KKK are fucked up pricks who don't know shit about africa and stuff like that...the man laughed, thinking that the black man's hiralous. so later on, they became friends and they both treated eachother like brothers...and of course, there were some nazis men at the prison also and they didn't like him playing basketball with the black guys in the prison court, so a couple guys went and beat him up and raped him in the prison showers...telling him that if he doesn't want to get hurt, then he has to stay with the nazis...but he never did...he stays away from the nazis and still hang out with different people so he changed into a better person.
he learned that angish and hatred just won't do anything good and that it's not healthy to be staying angry about the past, but best to forget about it and move on because you have a life and should get used to it...sure, life can be fucked up at times, but it's really pleasant as long as you are still alive.

hope that makes sense.
 
It sounds interesting.

I dont think those DVD what you describe about is acceptance to Germany law because of that word "nazi". We dont have any movies about nazi here in Germany. :ugh2:

I will go and look DVD stores anytime this weekends to find out.
 
Oh really Liebling, everything that say ' Nazi ' on it is banned what about the history books in Germany is that also banned too?...
 
^Angel^ said:
Oh really Liebling, everything that say ' Nazi ' on it is banned what about the history books in Germany is that also banned too?...
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No, the books are not banned. It's up to people if they really want to know about Nazi's history then buy a book or search in the internet, not TV comericals, posters, movies, flags to public etc.

The books tell you more than teacher tell pupils.
 
Liebling:-))) said:
Please send me one if you have!

Here in Germany dont sell any movies or on TV like this. I never see Jews, Nazi stories etc for almost 20 years.
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Will you or I get in trouble if I send you that movie in the mail even thru its not allow in Germany?....
 
^Angel^ said:
Will you or I get in trouble if I send you that movie in the mail even thru its not allow in Germany?....
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Ohhhh yes plleeeeeeassse....
I dont think I will be in trouble.
I will ask my hubby about this when I'm home.
I already asked my co-workers about this. They said it's harmless gift from you.
 
NDSAP was not a religion, but a political party which existed in Germany from 1930s to 1940s. Yes, it is unfortunate that the Nazi Party adopted the Hakenkreuz as their symbol, but keep this in mind... the Germans have their Hakenkreuz backwards. The Asians have it pointed the other way. Unfortunately, the NDSAP managed to kill millions of people, INCLUDING Jews, disabled (deaf people were killed as well), Gyspies, political prisoners (Communist party members, White Rose, etc...), religious prisoners (Jehovah's Witnesses, etc..), homosexuals, etc... etc...

The German law is very strict, banning the display of Nazi items in public. It is unfortunate that the reunification led to the rise of Neo-Nazis in Germany, mostly in Eastern Germany with the NPD, like Liebling:))) said. I have to say that I think the German law is a bit tad too extreme for banning Nazi items. I think that people are confusing the fine line between the freedom of speech and freedom of abuse, like Angel mentioned.

In this case, using the Hakenkreuz symbol on the arm, the Prince made a "joke" out of it and of course it was distasteful. I don't think that it should be the reason for us to go out and ban it. I agree with Banjo, that in the US, people have the freedom of speech and opinion. Although I hate the symbolism linking it to the NSDAP, I will tolerate (not support) people's right to express themselves even if it means using the Hakenkreuz. However, I will not support nor tolerate violence.

I think that people should have the freedom to think that a bunch of people are stupid or sinful, such as people who think homosexuals are so wrong. Another bunch of people think Arabs are nothing but flithy cunning bastards. Another bunch of people think that Jehovah's Witnesses should get a life. Etc... etc... I think it is wrong for the State to ban the churches from preaching against homosexuals (even if I am one). They may not like homosexuals, but send the message of tolerance and understanding towards homosexuals.

Doesn't the Spanish Inquistion ring any bell? People were killed by the Catholics, although not on a great scale like the Nazis. One cannot say that the Catholics are innocent either. Since this exists in our past, let's ban the Catholic church as well. This sounds ridiculous right?
 
True Kuifje75, that makes alot of sense, I'm just worry about kids being able to walk around wearing those Nazi symbol ban around their arms and thinking they're cool but to me it just distasteful period and I wouldn't let my children wear them I do not care if their friends has them, still I have the respect for those people who were killed by the Nazi!...To me, its a ' hate ' symbol!...
 
I guess ol' harry is pretty young and doesnt have a good idea of the horrors people encountered in these days... sort of disconnected? A shame, if that is true. Reminds me of that movie... The Devil's Triangle. A good one... the lil sod should watch it sometime. lol

it's such a shame it had that asian history before the nazis hijacked it... I'll say this... people who champion it to futher their nazi causes are complete clods.. period. They are the ones who need a lesson in human decency, not their.. uh, first admendmental right to be reaffirmed, IMO. I'm not thinking of politicially correctness... obviously. It puts a bitter taste on my mouth to justify NOT living in our integrity by telling those clods that THEIR opinions are unacceptable-- who will help you when you're the only ones left when "they" come for you finally?
 
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yeah i agree that any kind of nazi should be ban !! but we seem somewhat forgotten about neo nazi is still underground as i have seen few ppl who belong to neo nazi .. it goes grow very slowly as well as i hope it get downsizing ... if i ever seen any neo nazi get grow and non stop then i am outta of here before it become worse ... i have heard the little rumor that neo nazi's goal to be take over american lands and become white power and reject all races out especially white to stay ... I did talk to few ppl who is neo nazi about these sitautoins and asked they why they support white not another races ... they said that look at races take over the job like mexican seem start sweep over American's land that what they are most angry about that and hurt white community ... and i told them whooaaa everybody is human being and we can't change our color skin full period that's who we are and we have allot of different choices to be part of religon to believe in God or not .. thats what American is all about ... they disagree and label me as pro races ! as they was plan to harm me but right time cop come in the scene and they walk away ... whew ... but interest to know what is their brief culture ..
 
Liebling:-))) said:
It sounds interesting.

I dont think those DVD what you describe about is acceptance to Germany law because of that word "nazi". We dont have any movies about nazi here in Germany. :ugh2:

I will go and look DVD stores anytime this weekends to find out.
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I note the name of DVD what you gave us, Steel. I went to a large store for DVD and video tapes nearest where my boys went for football training yesterday. It took me hour to look everywhere. None :ugh2:
I cant ask a lady and man in the store for this. My son Danny said the same when he saw my note and said that he CANT ask them and will feel small front of people when he ask for this. I dont blame him because I has the same feeling as him. :ugh2:
I did asked my co-worker today. They were puzzled because they never heard about this. I show the picture and your desciption to them. They said: No wonder, that the DVD what you mentioned is not acceptance to German law.
I tried again after work to other store today. None! :ugh2:
 
^Angel^ said:
Will you or I get in trouble if I send you that movie in the mail even thru its not allow in Germany?....
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I already talked to my hubby and co-workers about this and make sure case that you and I should not get in trouble. My hubby talked to his co-workers, too.

All what I received the same from them.

You and I wont get in trouble if you send me DVD because I do not `business´ with nazi DVD to anyone. It means that it is an illegal if I do business with nazi DVD or viedo tapes is: Burn DVD or viedo tape to sell and make myself profit. Oh no, I would not do that but keep it myself in the house, not lend them to anyone.

The custom may get me to fill the form for case if they see the DVD. They need my signuature for case because it would be easier for them to find out who sells nazi DVD or video tapes. Understand what I mean.

Hell no, I would never do that illegal for my family sake!!!!!!!

Of course you can mail me and tell me how much it cost then I´ll pay you with registered mail.
 
^Angel^ said:
True Kuifje75, that makes alot of sense, I'm just worry about kids being able to walk around wearing those Nazi symbol ban around their arms and thinking they're cool but to me it just distasteful period and I wouldn't let my children wear them I do not care if their friends has them, still I have the respect for those people who were killed by the Nazi!...To me, its a ' hate ' symbol!...
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Yes, I had the same feeling as you. I dont like to see Nazi posters, comericals, eg to public because it could be influence on children easily. I´m glad that the nazi items are banned in Germany.

Bad advantage: no nazi movies... :(
 
Liebling -- im very surprised Germany wont allow any DVD movies that relates to Nazi issues and etc -- would the historical movies be accepted in ur country as opposed to fiction movie based on real life characters q
 
kuifje75 said:
NDSAP was not a religion, but a political party which existed in Germany from 1930s to 1940s. Yes, it is unfortunate that the Nazi Party adopted the Hakenkreuz as their symbol, but keep this in mind... the Germans have their Hakenkreuz backwards. The Asians have it pointed the other way. Unfortunately, the NDSAP managed to kill millions of people, INCLUDING Jews, disabled (deaf people were killed as well), Gyspies, political prisoners (Communist party members, White Rose, etc...), religious prisoners (Jehovah's Witnesses, etc..), homosexuals, etc... etc...
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True Kuifje75, but NDSAP is a political party which it started in 1920, not 1930.

The German law is very strict, banning the display of Nazi items in public. It is unfortunate that the reunification led to the rise of Neo-Nazis in Germany, mostly in Eastern Germany with the NPD, like Liebling:))) said. I have to say that I think the German law is a bit tad too extreme for banning Nazi items. I think that people are confusing the fine line between the freedom of speech and freedom of abuse, like Angel mentioned.
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Correct but I dont think German law is too far for banning Nazi items. I´m glad that they did because of bad influence on children easily which it´s no good. I understand Germans´s side for not like to see Nazi commerical, posters, etc everywhere since they have bad experience during Nazi time in the past.
Alot of young Germans went to England to buy Nazi things and hide them in their house. They will be in trouble if the police found out they have in their house. My hubby still have his Granddad´s Nazi badge here.
Germans are for anti-war because they had been through TWICE and paid millions to World, that´s why they dont want again for THIRD.


In this case, using the Hakenkreuz symbol on the arm, the Prince made a "joke" out of it and of course it was distasteful. I don't think that it should be the reason for us to go out and ban it. I agree with Banjo, that in the US, people have the freedom of speech and opinion. Although I hate the symbolism linking it to the NSDAP, I will tolerate (not support) people's right to express themselves even if it means using the Hakenkreuz. However, I will not support nor tolerate violence.
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***sigh***, yes, I´m agree that it´s silly to spread out to world because that `Prince` wore Nazi outfit.
I understood what you are saying about Banjo´s posts but I still think "Nazi" outfit, bad languages etc. are belongs to "Freedom of abuse and offensive", not speech. It hurt people´s nightmare when they sees them wear Nazi outfit.
Yes, it´s right everyone are allow to have freedom of speech whatever they wants but not wear. IMO


I think that people should have the freedom to think that a bunch of people are stupid or sinful, such as people who think homosexuals are so wrong. Another bunch of people think Arabs are nothing but flithy cunning bastards. Another bunch of people think that Jehovah's Witnesses should get a life. Etc... etc... I think it is wrong for the State to ban the churches from preaching against homosexuals (even if I am one). They may not like homosexuals, but send the message of tolerance and understanding towards homosexuals.

Doesn't the Spanish Inquistion ring any bell? People were killed by the Catholics, although not on a great scale like the Nazis. One cannot say that the Catholics are innocent either. Since this exists in our past, let's ban the Catholic church as well. This sounds ridiculous right?
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True, Kuiji75.
 
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