Europe could consider Nazi symbol ban....

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Move comes after uproar over Britain's Prince Harry

BRUSSELS, Belgium - The European Union may consider banning Nazi symbols in its 25 member nations after Britain’s Prince Harry wore a swastika armband to a costume party, the bloc’s top justice official said Monday.

Franco Frattini, the EU’s justice and home affairs commissioner, said he was open to discussing the issue at a Jan. 27 meeting of EU justice ministers.

“It may be worth looking into the possibility of a total ban, a Europe-wide ban,” his spokesman, Friso Roscam Abbing, told reporters Monday. “Commissioner Frattini shares the general feeling of opprobrium on the use of the swastika and other Nazi symbols.”

The call came after several German conservatives, socialists and liberal democrats in the European Parliament urged a European ban following a scandal last week over photos published worldwide of Harry, third in line to the British throne, wearing the Nazi outfit.

German Socialist Helmut Kuhne called Harry a “royal idiot” for not knowing the consequences and World War II history linked to the Nazi swastika.

Germany already bans such symbols. But British Liberal Democrat Chris Davies questioned the need to ban the swastika.

“I understand how the burden of history weighs upon my German colleagues’ view,” he said. “However, banning symbols cannot ban evil and risks playing into the hands of those who would seek to subvert the very liberties we most champion.”

Roscam Abbing said Frattini would urge EU ministers to use the swastika incident to push for agreement on EU-wide rules to combat racism, fascism and anti-Semitism.

A proposal was introduced two years ago but discussions have failed to make headway. Roscam Abbing said officials would take care not to violate freedom of expression in devising such a ban.

Frattini’s decision to look into an EU-wide ban could further embarrass Queen Elizabeth II, who is to lead British commemorations of the Holocaust in London later this month.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6835259/
 
I find this very fascinating because the symbol was used to represent religion back then. It was also symbolic of a wheel - turning - as in turning the wheel of the Dharma (the teachings of the Buddha).

It is sad how it has evolved into a symbol that represented death/hatred/oppression.
 
Meg said:
I find this very fascinating because the symbol was used to represent religion back then. It was also symbolic of a wheel - turning - as in turning the wheel of the Dharma (the teachings of the Buddha).

It is sad how it has evolved into a symbol that represented death/hatred/oppression.
That symbol is also having the special meaning in Japan (prosperity and good forunte).
 
Why is this even being considered?

It's a disgrace to freedom of speech. People should be allowed to express their beliefs, even if it's viewed as bigoted, or a form of hatred.

A Nazi supporter should be allowed to speak its mind. A racist should be allowed to speak its mind. An asshole should be allowed to speak its mind.

But... when it come to encouraging violence. It's a whole different story because that is an act with intentions to physically harm people. For example...

"You must go out and kill all the fuckin' filthy Jews now!"....

That is calling for an act of violence and should be held accountable and punished because intentions were made to harm.

But a person shouldn't be arrested for expressing their beliefs, for example...

"These filthy Jews are a disgrace to humanity and should be sent to hell"...

That is an act of expression of beliefs, nothing more. Yes, I consider that kind of remark to be offensive but I'll defend their rights to express it as long they are not calling for an act of violence. It is a very gray area, I'll say... but we are to be grateful that we are allowed to express ourselves and not be held accountable as long we don't call for an act of violence.

Disclaimer - These remarks are not my beliefs, nor am I calling for an act of violence. I am merely stating a couple of examples to prove my point. So please pardon the foul language.
 
Sighhhh, Banjo...I do not feel it is being anti-Semetic to criticize the Israeli government and its policies. But there is ALREADY a new law being forced down our throats to make it a crime to do so.
Let's see...I criticize the Israeli government in here and I get arrested for it. Do you find that frightening? You should.

If anyone wants sources for the fact, just pm me. I just do not think anyone cares, though. We are so totally brainwashed.
 
Beowulf said:
Let's see...I criticize the Israeli government in here and I get arrested for it. Do you find that frightening? You should.

I would object to that law in a heartbeat because it goes against the freedom of expression.
 
And like liberal democrats wanna remove the confederate flag from the alabama statehouse.
confederate_flag_150.jpg

If this flag bothers you,Then you dont know your history.
 
ravensteve1961 said:
And like liberal democrats wanna remove the confederate flag from the alabama statehouse.
confederate_flag_150.jpg

If this flag bothers you,Then you dont know your history.
We already went thru that flap here in SC.
 
Reba said:
Preaching against homosexuality is being classified as "hate crime"
It is hate. Period.

pfft.. Reba, that is entirely different story. Hate is always morally wrong. Always.

Jesus' teaching: Social Equality, ring any bell?

It is also becoming illegal to allow any woman to have a choice about abortion. Freedom of choice is being squelched in America.

That will be about fair for both of us. *nods*
 
I think it would be fair to remove those symbols, but then again...of course, it's history but you can get those in text books in schools or whatever like that, but must you wear one or hang a flag of that symbol somewhere? that's when you wish you were never born. people wouldn't ever speak to you or be friends with you ever again when they see you using some kind of nazi symbol on yourself or whatever like that.

sure, it may be all about freedom of speech, and I respect that but it's mostly all about hatred and racism and violence so perhas they should tighten the law and arrest anyone who wears that kind of symbol on them or hang a flag on their house or even have some kind of nazi stuff inside their house, then they should be charged.

It is important that they must know the history of WWII, and must know why the nazi symbol is banned, so I think it sounds about fair to me, thats all.

European is already considering to remove, but what about America? will they do that, as well? I dunno. there've always been fights about putting down the confederate state flags since they mostly stand for slavery and stuff like that...personally, I kind of agree because they use that symbol just to keep slavery going and they lost! so why must they still hang the flag? they can be shown in the school textbooks, but must they hang it up everywhere in southern states? you know it would offened alot of blacks, and even a kid hanged a big confederate state flag on the back of its car and the princpal told the kid to take it down since it would offend the blacks...so he did and I find that a good reason to do so, so why can't the government just take all down, too?

*sigh*
 
Steel said:
I think it would be fair to remove those symbols, but then again...of course, it's history but you can get those in text books in schools or whatever like that, but must you wear one or hang a flag of that symbol somewhere? that's when you wish you were never born. people wouldn't ever speak to you or be friends with you ever again when they see you using some kind of nazi symbol on yourself or whatever like that.

sure, it may be all about freedom of speech, and I respect that but it's mostly all about hatred and racism and violence so perhas they should tighten the law and arrest anyone who wears that kind of symbol on them or hang a flag on their house or even have some kind of nazi stuff inside their house, then they should be charged.

It is important that they must know the history of WWII, and must know why the nazi symbol is banned, so I think it sounds about fair to me, thats all.

European is already considering to remove, but what about America? will they do that, as well? I dunno. there've always been fights about putting down the confederate state flags since they mostly stand for slavery and stuff like that...personally, I kind of agree because they use that symbol just to keep slavery going and they lost! so why must they still hang the flag? they can be shown in the school textbooks, but must they hang it up everywhere in southern states? you know it would offened alot of blacks, and even a kid hanged a big confederate state flag on the back of its car and the princpal told the kid to take it down since it would offend the blacks...so he did and I find that a good reason to do so, so why can't the government just take all down, too?

*sigh*

well said Steel!

Reba said:
It is also becoming illegal to preach against homosexuality. Preaching against homosexuality is being classified as "hate crime", and preachers are being arrested.

i do believe preaching against homosexuality IS a hate crime too like Magatsu has beat me to saying and i agree with Magatsu saying hate is morally wrong -- well said Magatsu!
 
Steel said:
...It is important that they must know the history of WWII, and must know why the nazi symbol is banned...
I agree that schools need to do a better job of teaching world history. I don't think there is enough emphasis on how truly evil the Axis countries of WWII were. Students need to learn that Nazism is no joke. It is not "cool" to wear a swastika.
 
Reba said:
I agree that schools need to do a better job of teaching world history. I don't think there is enough emphasis on how truly evil the Axis countries of WWII were. Students need to learn that Nazism is no joke. It is not "cool" to wear a swastika.
Nope. never cool. not even at all.

But prince Harry said he wore it as a "joke". did someone laugh? proably not.
 
It is hate when you believe what the media tells you.
It is hate when you agree that mass genocide is okay when it is permitted by the government.
It is hate when you shut up your heart and let the darkness in.
I could go on and on.
Good Lord.
 
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The priests have spent too much time on their hands reading the bibles and stuff...

since...and I mean, since WHEN someone say it's a sin for people to be gay? and since when did the bible publish that kind of stuff? on what page? on what chapter? *flipping through the pages of the Holy bible*

I'll tell you who "brainwashed" the priests...it was some of the organizations who have links of hatred to blacks, jewish, and even homosexuals like the nazis and KKK have "brainwashed" the priests into thinking that homosexuality is a sin. they are really stupid of saying that...they aren't even the clones of Jesus or something like that! geez

I don't even know why so many priests and nuns aren't doing what the bible says... there has been so many news where priests beat and rape children and nuns beat up girls and then force them to walk around naked and one priest forced a girl to give him a *ahem* "bj" and so on...so many priests and nuns are racists, close minded, and stupid so that's why I don't join any reglious groups or go to church or anything like that because they are a bunch of hyprocrites who can't REALLY read the bibles properly.
 
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Reba said:
Preachers are supposed to teach the Bible and preach against sin. How is that hate? They are not telling anyone to use violence against other people.

I have never heard any of my preachers say hate someone. They say love sinners and pray for them.

Explain to me how that is hate?

Not always. We have some people killed gay people becasue of what they were taught by the religion.
 
Steel said:
The priests have spent too much time on their hands reading the bibles and stuff...

since...and I mean, since WHEN someone say it's a sin for people to be gay? and since when did the bible publish that kind of stuff? on what page? on what chapter? *flipping through the pages of the Holy bible*

I'll tell you who "brainwashed" the priests...it was some of the organizations who have links of hatred to blacks, jewish, and even homosexuals like the nazis and KKK have "brainwashed" the priests into thinking that homosexuality is a sin. they are really stupid of saying that...they aren't even the clones of Jesus or something like that! geez

I don't even know why so many priests and nuns aren't doing what the bible says... there has been so many news where priests beat and rape children and nuns beat up girls and then force them to walk around naked and one priest forced a girl to give him a *ahem* "bj" and so on...so many priests and nuns are racists, close minded, and stupid so that's why I don't join any reglious groups or go to church or anything like that because they are a bunch of hyprocrites who can't REALLY read the bibles properly.

I do not see your points here. We have gay priests in Catholic Church and the bad ones are gone. If anyone want to be priest , they have to go thru all kind of test to pass the test. They already establish zero tolerate. Old days are gone. I met them and knowing them. I have no problems with them. Only problems I have with people telling stories which are not true.
 
We have nazi gang here and they tried to hurt my son when he refused to join them cuz he has blue eye and blonde hair. Also he was big and strong. They look for people alike my son. I do not see this freedom of speech here instead of feeding fear into us.
 
jazzy said:
We have nazi gang here and they tried to hurt my son when he refused to join them cuz he has blue eye and blonde hair. Also he was big and strong. They look for people alike my son. I do not see this freedom of speech here instead of feeding fear into us.
If you want to live somewhere far from the gang, I suggest you move somewhere alot further so to aviod risk for your son. It's a good thing your son avoid it, though.
 
Wow. What is the topic, anyway? Nazism?
Bashing gay people seems pretty petty compared to killing innocent children in Iraq, which seems to be the goal of all this media diversion from it. Let's make gay issues the focus of all our attention, not the insane war and how it will ruin our lives.
And for GOD'S sake let's not make people aware of how much the Bush family adores Hitler.
 
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