EU to Campaign for Worldwide Ban of Death Penalty

doh said:
You're putting a price on human life? Because someone killed another person and it costs too money much to house them for the remainder of their life it's morally acceptable to murder them? Murder is never acceptable however anyone tries to justify it: mercy killing, honour killing, or some perverted sense of justice.

To answer your question - stop spending trillions in asinine foreign wars and spend the money to deal with problems at home (including dealing with crime). Decriminalise narcotics and do away with asinine "mandatory minimum" sentences.
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I didn't vote for Bush. He's way overboard. I'm not sure about in your hometown. In my country, I can't remember when was the last time someone was executed. In my state, it was over 60 yrs ago. We don't have anyone in death row at this time. Which is a good thing. I may not like the idea of death penalty but when someone murder the children, that's it. Children is the most precious thing on earth. It tears my heart when a person killed and/or molested the child. There's only 12 states that does not have death penalty and the rest have it. As for crimes, for the past couple of years, I've been hearing child predators, rape, kidnapping, robbery and shootings.
 
jazzy said:
They have no souls, if u met them then u would understand better. They are not human beings. Stay in prison will not make their live miserable but got away with it. What about the victims, they don't deserve to die too.
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This is a revenge, not right punishment what they did to death... That's how the people think revenge is okay...

Why EU complain about USA invlove with death pentaly in Iraq when Iran and Arab done worst to their own people, in Iran they stoned people to death if they committed adultery and Arab beheaded them too if they committed adultery. I hope EU will make impact on those countries but I doubt it.
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Where have it says that EU complain only USA about death penatly? No, they didn't say anything about US but 68 countries.
 
mecooncat said:
I didn't vote for Bush. He's way overboard. I'm not sure about in your hometown. In my country, I can't remember when was the last time someone was executed. In my state, it was over 60 yrs ago. We don't have anyone in death row at this time. Which is a good thing. I may not like the idea of death penalty but when someone murder the children, that's it. Children is the most precious thing on earth. It tears my heart when a person killed and/or molested the child. There's only 12 states that does not have death penalty and the rest have it. As for crimes, for the past couple of years, I've been hearing child predators, rape, kidnapping, robbery and shootings.
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I was born and grew up in New York State and apparently in June 2004 putting people to death was declared unconstitutional. I moved away in 2005 so I haven't had my "finger on the pulse" of politics, so to speak. The last execution was in 1963 by electric chair.

Abuse (including torture, rape and murder) of anyone isn't cool. I just happen to extend that to criminals too -- a human is a human.
 
U don't get it, I am not talking about revenge, I am talking about them not having souls. They are not human beings, they are monsters.
 
jazzy said:
U don't get it, I am not talking about revenge, I am talking about them not having souls. They are not human beings, they are monsters.
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When a group of humans starts calling other groups of humans "not human" or "evil" genocide is ready to take place.
 
doh said:
When a group of humans starts calling other groups of humans "not human" or "evil" genocide is ready to take place.
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Jazzy's talking about murderers and child abusers. That group of people are not a race or ethnic group or religious group. Lawfully executing convicted criminals is NOT "genocide". Get real. :roll:
 
jazzy said:
U don't get it, I am not talking about revenge, I am talking about them not having souls. They are not human beings, they are monsters.
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Yes, you are right that they are not human but monster.

I know what you are talking about. You said: "They have no souls, if u met them then u would understand better. They are not human beings. Stay in prison will not make their live miserable but got away with it. What about the victims, they don't deserve to die too."[/I]

It's me who says Revenge, not you. What I said because they put monsters to death after what they did to innoncent victims is revenge, not right punishment. Get it?
 
We need death sentence. There's just too many criminals. The tax dollars get wasted keeping punks like richard ramiez alive when he should fry.
 
Dark-Half said:
We need death sentence. There's just too many criminals. The tax dollars get wasted keeping punks like richard ramiez alive when he should fry.
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Death Sentence cost taxpayers higher than keep them in the prison.
 
Another proof that the so-called "life sentence" isn't really for life.

From THE WEEK February 23, 2007:

"A German court this week approved the release of one of the leaders of the far-left terrorist group Red Army Faction, also known as the Baader-Meinhof gang. Brigitte Mohnhaupt was facing five life sentences for her involvement in the murders of several German business leaders in the 1970s. She has served 24 years. German politicians are divided over the decision to parole Mohnhaupt, who, unlike some other Red Army members already paroled, has not expressed remorse...."

Brigitte Mohnhaupt - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So five life sentences equal 24 years; that means each life sentence was worth less than five years.

Life is cheap. :mad:
 
Liebling:-))) said:
Death Sentence cost taxpayers higher than keep them in the prison.
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I fail to see the logic. 80+ years in prison, they have to pay for the food, provide cloth and a clean place for them to -live- verus 1 time chemical injection.

I'd love for you to enlighten me on exactly how it costs more because I'm frankly curious and don't believe it.

Edit; After thinking for a few seconds you might be referring to trails and such prior or the time it takes to wait. I really don't know. Enlighten me man.
 
Dark-Half said:
I fail to see the logic. 80+ years in prison, they have to pay for the food, provide cloth and a clean place for them to -live- verus 1 time chemical injection.

I'd love for you to enlighten me on exactly how it costs more because I'm frankly curious and don't believe it.

Edit; After thinking for a few seconds you might be referring to trails and such prior or the time it takes to wait. I really don't know. Enlighten me man.
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Costs of the Death Penalty

There you go. A high ranking Oregon judge - Judge Ellis - put it nicely: "Whether you're for it or against it, I think the fact is that Oregon simply can't afford it."
 
Dark-Half said:
I fail to see the logic. 80+ years in prison, they have to pay for the food, provide cloth and a clean place for them to -live- verus 1 time chemical injection.

I'd love for you to enlighten me on exactly how it costs more because I'm frankly curious and don't believe it.

Edit; After thinking for a few seconds you might be referring to trails and such prior or the time it takes to wait. I really don't know. Enlighten me man.
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Here is answer:

Cost Studies

The High Cost of the Death Penalty

Death Penalty Focus
 
Reba said:
Another proof that the so-called "life sentence" isn't really for life.

From THE WEEK February 23, 2007:

"A German court this week approved the release of one of the leaders of the far-left terrorist group Red Army Faction, also known as the Baader-Meinhof gang. Brigitte Mohnhaupt was facing five life sentences for her involvement in the murders of several German business leaders in the 1970s. She has served 24 years. German politicians are divided over the decision to parole Mohnhaupt, who, unlike some other Red Army members already paroled, has not expressed remorse...."

Brigitte Mohnhaupt - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So five life sentences equal 24 years; that means each life sentence was worth less than five years.

Life is cheap. :mad:
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Yes I disagree with German Justice System sometimes but....

Well Did you know how old Brigitte is? She already is 57 years old and still sit in the prison. Can you image what kind of life she will expect when she is out of prison? Free as happy? I don't think so.
 
Liebling:-))) said:
Yes I disagree with German Justice System sometimes but....

Well Did you know how old Brigitte is? She already is 57 years old and still sit in the prison. Can you image what kind of life she will expect when she is out of prison? Free as happy? I don't think so.
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She'll probably join another terrorist group where they will honor her like a queen, and then she'll plan new attacks.

Remember, the article said that she never showed remorse. She's not sorry for what she did.
 
This is what she did last time she was released from prison:

* She was released on 8 February 1977, and immediately went underground and continued her work with the RAF.
* Mohnhaupt was a major player in the German Autumn: she was involved in the 30 July 1977 killing of banker Jürgen Ponto, chairman of the Dresdner Bank board of directors in Oberursel, Taunus, during a botched kidnapping attempt with Susanne Albrecht and Christian Klar and was also involved in the kidnapping and murder of employer representative Hanns Martin Schleyer.
* 11 May 1978 Mohnhaupt , Sieglinde Hofmann, Rolf Clemens Wagner, and Peter-Jürgen Boock were arrested in Zagreb, Yugoslavia.
* November 1978 - Mohnhaupt was allowed to leave Yugoslavia for a country of her choice because West Germany refused to exchange Yugoslav prisoners for her.
* 15 September 1981 Mohnhaupt took part in an assassination attempt on U.S. General Frederick Kroesen using an RPG-7 anti-tank rocket.
 
Thanks, pretty interesting. Tax dollars out of the way we still have to account for the ever-growing need for more prisons with a growing community.

Not to mention that people alive, gang lords in Jail can easily controll their operation outside of the pen. Aryan brotherhood is a perfect example of this and getting evidence that ties them to crimes... well... What good is that if theres no death penality. It just gets them more years on a pre-existing sentence that probably excedes their life.
 
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