Drill for oil...create jobs..lowers unemployment rate in N. Dakota

Who knew? They deserve it.
I was on a road trip to Montana and other western locales, many years back, and we took a look at the map. We saw Theodore Roosevelt Nat'l Park on the western edge of North Dakota. We decided to stop there for a night of camping. When we got there, my buddy and I looked at each other, shook our heads, and got back in the van. Headed for a motel. We later joked that it reminded us of a gravel pit, but they charged admission to see it.

Now, if they can find oil there, let's drill the place like swiss cheese.
 
There are pros and cons when it comes to oil. But without it, this nation wouldn't be as prosperous. Technology today is much better than it was 20, 30, or 40 years ago in mitigating risk to our environment.

really?

New Ways to Drill, Old Methods for Cleaning Up
HOUSTON — As hopes dim for containing the oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico anytime soon, more people are asking why the industry was not better prepared to react.

Members of Congress are holding hearings this week and demanding to know why the federal Minerals Management Service did not force oil companies to take more precautions. Environmentalists are saying they tried to raise the alarm to Congressional committees that the industry had no way to respond to a catastrophic blowout a mile below the sea.

Local officials in the gulf are beginning to ask, “What was Plan B?” The answer, oil industry engineers are acknowledging, was to deploy technology that has not changed much in 20 years — booms, skimmers and chemical dispersants — even as the drilling technology itself has improved.

“They have horribly underestimated the likelihood of a spill and therefore horribly underestimated the consequences of something going wrong,” said Robert G. Bea, a professor at the University of California, Berkeley, who studies offshore drilling. “So what we have now is some equivalent of a fire drill with paper towels and buckets for cleanup.”

For years, major oil companies, as well as the Minerals Management Service, played down the possibility of an uncontrolled blowout on the sea floor, arguing that safeguards like blowout preventers were practically foolproof.

In November, Walter D. Cruickshank, deputy director of the Minerals Management Service, told a Senate committee that an undersea blowout and massive spill that had occurred in East Timor last year was highly unlikely in the Gulf of Mexico because of tighter United States regulations. All wells had safety devices to shut off the flow in emergencies, he said.

At the same hearing, a BP vice president, David Rainey, promoted the oil companies’ “blowout preventer technology, which includes redundant systems and controls” and told senators that “contrary to popular perception, ours is a high-tech industry.”

What government regulators and industry officials did not foresee in the Deepwater Horizon disaster last month is that the rig would sink and that robots would not be able to stanch the flow of oil at such depths, even though a consultant hired by government regulators in 2003 had warned that they were unreliable.

“This is the first time the industry has had to confront this issue in this water depth, and there is a lot of real-time learning going on,” BP’s chief executive officer, Tony Hayward, acknowledged at a news conference Monday. “The investigation of this whole incident will undoubtedly show up things that we should be doing differently.”

Once oil was flowing into the water, the methods of dealing with it have changed little in decades, environmentalists say. Tenting spills with giant upside-down funnels has been done in shallower waters, but until last weekend, it had not been tried in deep water. The first attempt failed.

“The oil industry went off the deep end with a new kind of risk, and they didn’t bother to build a response capability before they had a big disaster,” said Richard Charter, an advocate with Defenders of Wildlife who studies offshore drilling.

The heart of the industry’s plan to contain the oil falls to the Marine Spill Response Corporation, a nonprofit organization formed in 1990 after the Exxon Valdez disaster. It is maintained largely by fees from the biggest oil companies.

Judith Roos, a vice president of Marine Spill Response, said the majority of its equipment, including booms and skimmers, was bought in 1990. “The technology hasn’t changed that much since then,” she said.

Steve Benz, president of the corporation, said his group had no budget for research.

In the last three years, however, the company has added C-130 planes to spray dispersants. On this, the company says, it is ahead of the regulatory curve.

Allison Nyholm, a policy adviser with the American Petroleum Institute, said the industry had done extensive experiments with improving skimmers, booms and dispersants. Some booms are fire retardant and allow burning on the water, for example, while others actually absorb oil.

She noted that blowout scenarios were rare and needed to be handled on a case-by-case basis.

“One of the best tools is how you bring the best professionals together to respond to the spill,” Ms. Nyholm said. “It is not the dispersant or the boom or the burn, it is how quickly can you get the right people together.”

Yet Rick Steiner, a marine biologist and frequent consultant on big oil spills, said the oil companies could have had some version of the containment dome ready before the spill, rather than building one after it happened.

“It is like building the fire truck when your house is on fire,” Dr. Steiner said.

Engineers who work on rig structures said such prefabricated containment domes would not be practical. They said that each dome would have to be tailored to the spill, so there was little sense in making one beforehand.

Jeffrey Short, a former scientist with the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration who now works for the environmental group Oceana, said it was clear that the industry was not willing to pay for enough boats and booms to enclose such a fast-growing spill.

“It’s just really hard to corral something that’s expanding at that rate,” Dr. Short said. “Ultimately it’s an investment challenge. How much money are you willing to spend on an event that happens infrequently?”

Several environmentalists also said the industry should have predicted that a blowout of this magnitude would eventually happen. John F. Amos, a former geologist for oil companies who now runs an organization that tracks oil spills using satellite images, told Congress last fall that the undersea blowout in East Timor was a warning. It leaked for 10 weeks before crews managed to drill relief wells. “Blowouts are surprisingly regular occurrences,” he said. “But ones that lead to catastrophic spills like this are quite rare.”

Jerome J. Schubert, an engineer at Texas A&M who has written extensively about undersea drilling, found in a 2005 study that “blowouts will always happen no matter how far technology and training advance” and that there were no foolproof safeguards to stop them. The study, co-written by Samuel F. Noynaert and financed by BP, found that blowouts in undersea wells had occurred at a steady rate since the 1960s despite improvements in technology.

“The best safeguards don’t always work,” he said.

right... leave it to the real experts, people who have actual real life working experiences with the oil drilling business who know how to assess potential damages from oil disaster.
 
Yah! I prefer our own oil over Saudi Arabia, Venezuela, Mexico, etc... Funny how we (U.S.) have more oil underground than all the Middle East put together.

Let's not forget that Canada is our #1 oil seller. not Saudi Arabia, Venezuela, or Mexico. Those oil are no good for us except Saudi Arabia.
 
*scanning the horizon*

Nope. Nothing there.

yep. soon - there will be nothing on our shoreline because our incompetence destroyed our economy with colossal oil spill on our shoreline. Now these fishermen's livelihoods are soon going out of business. and the coastal businesses like restaurants, hotels, etc. Who the hell wanna vacation on dirty beach?

technology today is much better than it was 20, 30, or 40 years ago in mitigating risk to our environment? lol you're a funny man with morbid sense of humor.
 
im for oil drilling anywhere and wonder what will happens if they dont drill for more oil anywhere offshore and on west coast anywhere then i dont want to see $4 gas ever again that makes me mad.
 
im for oil drilling anywhere and wonder what will happens if they dont drill for more oil anywhere offshore and on west coast anywhere then i dont want to see $4 gas ever again that makes me mad.

I'm predicting it'll get up to $5.00 or more soon enough and become even more dependent on foreign sources of oil from unfriendly and unstable oil producing countries. That's bad mojo....and stupid, too, from an economical and national security perspective.
 
im for oil drilling anywhere and wonder what will happens if they dont drill for more oil anywhere offshore and on west coast anywhere then i dont want to see $4 gas ever again that makes me mad.

$4? feels bad, man.

It's $2.72 here.
 
I'm predicting it'll get up to $5.00 or more soon enough and become even more dependent on foreign sources of oil from unfriendly and unstable oil producing countries. That's bad mojo....and stupid, too, from an economical and national security perspective.

Relief from rising gas prices on horizon
(CNN) -- Gasoline prices at the pump have climbed more than 7 cents per gallon in the past two weeks, but could plummet soon with declining crude oil prices, according to a survey published Sunday.

The national average for a gallon of gasoline is $2.92, the Lundberg Survey found in an analysis conducted May 7.

But drivers will likely start paying less for gas in the coming days as oil prices fall, survey publisher Trilby Lundberg told CNN.

"Retail prices will be tumbling down," she said. "But we cannot know how much or exactly when."

Crude prices have dropped about $1.78 per gallon in the past two weeks, she said.

While not guaranteed, the likely trend for dropping oil prices means the national average may not reach the $3 mark all summer, Lundberg said.

Demand for gasoline remains down because of high unemployment and related reductions in driving, she said.

The current average price of gasoline is nearly 62 cents above the price of a gallon of self-serve a year ago, Lundberg said.

The survey tallies prices at thousands of gas stations nationwide.

The city with the lowest average price in the latest survey was Tulsa, Oklahoma, at $2.72. The highest in the most recent survey was Chicago, Illinois, at $3.22.

Among average per-gallon prices in other places:
-- Houston, Texas - $2.75
-- Phoenix, Arizona - $2.86
-- Atlanta, Georgia - $2.89
-- Boston, Massachusetts - $2.93
-- Seattle, Washington - $3.09
-- Long Island, New York - $3.10
-- Los Angeles, California - $3.12
 
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