Does The Doctrine Says Christians Shouldn't Be Around The Jews?

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... Hilter is in heaven (he believe in Jesus/God)...
Where on earth did you get that "inside" information? :roll: (I assume you are referring to Adolph Hitler.)


Nah I am not judging them , just point out that religious people need something (bible, church, korah, so on) to strengthen themselves and have the purpose in the life. Without them, they re very fragile people and do not know what to do with their lives.
That's called making a judgment about people; in fact, that is an uninformed judgment, which is even worse.
 
Where on earth did you get that "inside" information? :roll: (I assume you are referring to Adolph Hitler.)

I dont have insider information but you can find lot of good information about Hitler (there s no spellcheck here) 's religious.

I am sure you re aware what is Mein Kampf. In his book, he said , "I am convinced that I am acting as the agent of our Creator. By fighting off the Jews. I am doing the Lord's work." Also he repeatly that he is siding with churches and churches showed their support for Hitler. He was pissed off (like Mel Gibson is) that Jews put Jesus on the cross and wanted to punish jews thus resulting in horrible holocaust.

Where is source/reference you ask? here it is ..

Hitler's Christianity

disclaimer - I do not support hitler's acton :)

side note: it s interesting that nazis wore a belt "Gott mit uns" which means God is with us :eek3: :eek3:
 
I dont have insider information but you can find lot of good information about Hitler (there s no spellcheck here) 's religious.

I am sure you re aware what is Mein Kampf. In his book, he said , "I am convinced that I am acting as the agent of our Creator. By fighting off the Jews. I am doing the Lord's work." Also he repeatly that he is siding with churches and churches showed their support for Hitler. He was pissed off (like Mel Gibson is) that Jews put Jesus on the cross and wanted to punish jews thus resulting in horrible holocaust.

Where is source/reference you ask? here it is ..

Hitler's Christianity

disclaimer - I do not support hitler's acton :)

side note: it s interesting that nazis wore a belt "Gott mit uns" which means God is with us :eek3: :eek3:

Have to remember, that's not actual christian doctrine. That's why many only pluck out the verses or I say outweight what the Bible is saying and even claiming God spoke in numerous ways, just like where Cyberred posted about DeJesus,cult leader. Jews kill Jesus? Is that a whole message about? The answer is NO. What did Jesus say on the cross? The answer is "Father, forgive them they know not." Later Paul said, " I wish the jews in my shoe and I in their shoe..." (my translation). Paul is saying he wish jews will be save than himself. He had a heart for the jews, but the jews has stubborn heart. That doesnt mean all jews are, but many. That's the problem being tooo open minded and I would thought you would say, respect their religion, Hitler, Jim Jones, DeJesus, David Koresh. And their are many others are like that. And get fret about think its cruelty by calling them anti-christ. But not going to mention as repeating or emphasis. Just what Reba described the difference between anti-christ and Anti-christ.
 
^^^ I m just answering Reba's question - Hitler was christian and did so many horrible things. Yet he get free pass (he probably would ask God's forgiveness right before his death) and have clear path to heaven while mother teresa/gandhi are in hell right now. They are paying dearly for their sin, which is not believe in Jesus/God.

You have to remember that God do not care what you do in your life as long you believe in Jesus/God. Then you can get in heaven even if you eat people for living.

Btw, Martin Luther wrote "On Jews and their lies". In his book, he blasted Jews and accused them that they murdered Jesus. He want to avenge Jesus' death. Later in history, Hitler was inspired by luther's campagain against Jews and nearly almost successed eradicated jews.

for these people (freethinkers) who re interested abt Luther's dark side. here s link ...

Martin Luther - On the Jews and Their Lies
 
^^^ I m just answering Reba's question - Hitler was christian and did so many horrible things. Yet he get free pass (he probably would ask God's forgiveness right before his death) and have clear path to heaven while mother teresa/gandhi are in hell right now. They are paying dearly for their sin, which is not believe in Jesus/God.

You have to remember that God do not care what you do in your life as long you believe in Jesus/God. Then you can get in heaven even if you eat people for living.

Btw, Martin Luther wrote "On Jews and their lies". In his book, he blasted Jews and accused them that they murdered Jesus. He want to avenge Jesus' death. Later in history, Hitler was inspired by luther's campagain against Jews and nearly almost successed eradicated jews.

for these people (freethinkers) who re interested abt Luther's dark side. here s link ...

Martin Luther - On the Jews and Their Lies

Huh ? You are sayin' that God do not care what you do in your life ? I disagree with ya there. I do BELIEVE that God does CARE what people do in their lives, because He don't want them to go to H E L L. Some pastors/priests/evangelists and etc., etc. are in hell already because, of their double lives. It breaks Jesus' heart. And, also it's their responsiblity to save their flocks from goin' to hell by showin' Jesus' good example and walk with God !
 
Huh ? You are sayin' that God do not care what you do in your life ? I disagree with ya there. I do BELIEVE that God does CARE what people do in their lives, because He don't want them to go to H E L L. Some pastors/priests/evangelists and etc., etc. are in hell already because, of their double lives. It breaks Jesus' heart. And, also it's their responsiblity to save their flocks from goin' to hell by showin' Jesus' good example and walk with God !

What about Mother Teresa and Gandhi ? Do you feel sorry for them or u dont care bec they dont believe in your God/Jesus?
 
What about Mother Teresa and Gandhi ? Do you feel sorry for them or u dont care bec they dont believe in your God/Jesus?

Remember that John 3:16 only!

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.


If they accepted Jesus Christ's blood wash away their sin?
 
Remember that John 3:16 only!

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.


If they accepted Jesus Christ's blood wash away their sin?

So you re saying Mother Teresa/Gandhi's deeds in the world is worthless and doesn't count in God's eyes because they didn't believe in God/Jesus?
 
...I am sure you re aware what is Mein Kampf.
Yes.


In his book, he said , "I am convinced that I am acting as the agent of our Creator. By fighting off the Jews. I am doing the Lord's work." Also he repeatly that he is siding with churches and churches showed their support for Hitler.
Those are not evidences of his personal salvation. His words contradict those of Jesus. The Jews are God's chosen people, so how could destroying them be the will of God?

As far as church support, that was all political power play. He sided with churches as long as they supported him. If any of them disagreed with him, he didn't change his viewpoint. Instead, he got rid of the opposition.


He was pissed off (like Mel Gibson is) that Jews put Jesus on the cross and wanted to punish jews thus resulting in horrible holocaust.
Do you mean Hitler was pissed off? How does that prove he was a born-again Christian? Jesus never said that we were supposed to destroy the Jews.


Where is source/reference you ask? here it is ..

Hitler's Christianity
Thank you for the link.

In my opinion, that's not the best source but that's neither here nor there.

I didn't read every sub-link within the link but I did scan thru them. It seemed that the emphasis of the site was that Hitler was a Catholic, and that he claimed to be doing God's will. Neither of those points prove that Hitler was a born-again Christian who had repented his sin and accepted Jesus as Savior. None of his fruits bear witness to any kind of conversion of Hitler.

Matthew 7
15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. 16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? 17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. 19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. 20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.[/quote]


disclaimer - I do not support hitler's acton :)
I'm very happy to know that! :)


side note: it s interesting that nazis wore a belt "Gott mit uns" which means God is with us :eek3: :eek3:
Ah, that shows that the Nazis thought they were above God. They expected God to follow their agenda. A real Christian desires to be on God's side, not the other way around.

As Abraham Lincoln said, "it is my constant anxiety and prayer that I and this nation should be on the Lord's side."
 
^^^ I m just answering Reba's question - Hitler was christian and did so many horrible things.
Despite your link, there is no evidence by word or deed that Hitler was a Christian.


Yet he get free pass (he probably would ask God's forgiveness right before his death)
If he did sincerely repent and ask to be saved, then yes, God would forgive him. However, there is no evidence that he did that. He didn't leave behind a written note to that effect. Also, if he had truly repented, it is likely that he would not have taken the coward's way out by suicide. He would have stuck around to face judgment, publicly confess his sins, and proclaim to the world that persecuting and killing Jews was wrong. God could have greatly used him to destroy the enemies of the Jews. But it doesn't appear that Hitler made that decision.

If Hitler had lived, and was truly redeemed by God, he would still have to face man's judgment, and he would NOT get a free pass from that.


...and have clear path to heaven while mother teresa/gandhi are in hell right now. They are paying dearly for their sin, which is not believe in Jesus/God.
The same that we don't know what Hitler decided in his final moments, we don't know about Mother Teresa or Gandhi.


Btw, Martin Luther wrote "On Jews and their lies". In his book, he blasted Jews and accused them that they murdered Jesus. He want to avenge Jesus' death. Later in history, Hitler was inspired by luther's campagain against Jews and nearly almost successed eradicated jews.
Luther was just a man, and his writings were not inspired Scripture. If he was seeking revenge against the Jews, he was doing that in his own heart, not God's.

Just one point (not an excuse for Luther). If a Jew was converted to Christianity, Luther accepted him. If a Jew was converted to Christianity, Hitler exterminated him. Hitler saw the Jews as a genetic race of sub-humans that had to be wiped out. Luther saw the Jews as a spiritually lost people who had to be saved.


for these people (freethinkers) who re interested abt Luther's dark side. here s link ...

Martin Luther - On the Jews and Their Lies
Or this one:

Medieval Sourcebook: Martin Luther (1483-1546): On the Jews and Their Lies - full text
 
Despite your link, there is no evidence by word or deed that Hitler was a Christian.

"My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God’s truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow my self to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice… And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows . For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people." –Adolf Hitler, in a speech on 12 April 1922 (Norman H. Baynes, ed. The Speeches of Adolf Hitler, April 1922-August 1939, Vol. 1 of 2, pp. 19-20, Oxford University Press, 1942)

No matter how you try to spin this but clearly he proclaim he is christianity and doing God's work.



If he did sincerely repent and ask to be saved, then yes, God would forgive him. However, there is no evidence that he did that. He didn't leave behind a written note to that effect. Also, if he had truly repented, it is likely that he would not have taken the coward's way out by suicide. He would have stuck around to face judgment, publicly confess his sins, and proclaim to the world that persecuting and killing Jews was wrong. God could have greatly used him to destroy the enemies of the Jews. But it doesn't appear that Hitler made that decision.

"Around 1937, when Hitler heard that at the instigation of the party and the SS vast numbers of his followers had left the church because it was obstinately opposing his plans, he nevertheless ordered his chief associates, above all Goering and Gobbels, to remain members of the church. He too would remain a member of the Catholic Church, he said, although he had no real attachment to it. And in fact he remained in the church until his suicide." (Inside the Third Reich by Albert Speer page 95-96)

Again , He took his life in church which he must had ask God for forgiveness before he commit suicide.

The same that we don't know what Hitler decided in his final moments, we don't know about Mother Teresa or Gandhi.

Gandhi said he was unconvinced by christianity and do not agree with their teaching.
You can find his answer to why he doesn't become christian. obviously he doesn't believe in God/Jesus or in heaven.
source: Ask Gandhi


Luther was just a man, and his writings were not inspired Scripture. If he was seeking revenge against the Jews, he was doing that in his own heart, not God's.


Funny thing is today we have church filled with christians honor his name. Lutherian Church !! :eek3: :eek3:
 
"My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God’s truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow my self to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice… And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows . For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people." –Adolf Hitler, in a speech on 12 April 1922 (Norman H. Baynes, ed. The Speeches of Adolf Hitler, April 1922-August 1939, Vol. 1 of 2, pp. 19-20, Oxford University Press, 1942)

No matter how you try to spin this but clearly he proclaim he is christianity and doing God's work.
There is nothing in that passage that says Hitler confessed his sin, repented, and trusted Jesus to save him from hell. There is nothing there that shows any proof of his actions that seem even remotely Christlike. Hitler didn't even know the Bible. He claims that the Jews were the reason "for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross." A real Christian confesses that Jesus died on the Cross for everyone's sins, including his/her own. I confess that Jesus suffered and died on the Cross for my sins. It was my fault that He was on the Cross. It was not the fault of the Jews.

Hitler didn't know theology. He wrote, that Jesus "was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter." What?!


"Around 1937, when Hitler heard that at the instigation of the party and the SS vast numbers of his followers had left the church because it was obstinately opposing his plans, he nevertheless ordered his chief associates, above all Goering and Gobbels, to remain members of the church. He too would remain a member of the Catholic Church, he said, although he had no real attachment to it. And in fact he remained in the church until his suicide." (Inside the Third Reich by Albert Speer page 95-96)
So Hitler stayed a member of the Catholic Church? So what? What does that prove? He even said that "he had no real attachment to it." Membership in any church does not make a person a Christian. Membership in a church does not save anyone's soul.


Again , He took his life in church which he must had ask God for forgiveness before he commit suicide.
What do you mean he "took his life in church"? What makes you think "he must had ask God for forgiveness before he commit suicide"? What makes you think Hitler believed his suicide was a sin that required forgiveness? What makes you think that Hitler even believed in God? What actions in Hitler's life ever showed Christ was in his heart?


Gandhi said he was unconvinced by christianity and do not agree with their teaching.
You can find his answer to why he doesn't become christian. obviously he doesn't believe in God/Jesus or in heaven.
source: Ask Gandhi
If that's what he believed up until the end of his life, then that was his final decision.


Funny thing is today we have church filled with christians honor his name. Lutherian Church !! :eek3: :eek3:
That's their problem. Lots of people belong to lots of churches that call themselves Christian. That doesn't prove anything about their hearts.

Personally, I wouldn't want to be a member of a religion or church that was named for a person. That's the wrong focus.
 
There is nothing in that passage that says Hitler confessed his sin, repented, and trusted Jesus to save him from hell. There is nothing there that shows any proof of his actions that seem even remotely Christlike. Hitler didn't even know the Bible. He claims that the Jews were the reason "for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross." A real Christian confesses that Jesus died on the Cross for everyone's sins, including his/her own. I confess that Jesus suffered and died on the Cross for my sins. It was my fault that He was on the Cross. It was not the fault of the Jews.

He may had done this in private. Didn't bible says that you should do this privately?

And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward. But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father in secret shall reward thee openly. Matthew 6: 5-6

Hitler didn't know theology. He wrote, that Jesus "was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter." What?!

Sure he is fighter, after all he did wielded a whip and drove people out of temple :)

So Hitler stayed a member of the Catholic Church? So what? What does that prove? He even said that "he had no real attachment to it." Membership in any church does not make a person a Christian. Membership in a church does not save anyone's soul.

We dont know what he did in church but we can say he could redeem himself before he took his life.

What do you mean he "took his life in church"? What makes you think "he must had ask God for forgiveness before he commit suicide"? What makes you think Hitler believed his suicide was a sin that required forgiveness? What makes you think that Hitler even believed in God? What actions in Hitler's life ever showed Christ was in his heart?

I admit it was entirely pure speculation but you can't deny that Hitler in fact repeatly he was christian and his speech/book already showed that he believed that he was doing Lord's work hence believing in God.

That's their problem. Lots of people belong to lots of churches that call themselves Christian. That doesn't prove anything about their hearts.

Personally, I wouldn't want to be a member of a religion or church that was named for a person. That's the wrong focus.

Yea, i agree with you that all churches should be nameless :grouphug:
 
He may had done this in private. Didn't bible says that you should do this privately?
The Bible says you should pray privately, or at least not show off. But the Bible also says when we accept Christ as Savior, we should make a public statement of that.

Luke 12
8 Also I say unto you, Whosoever shall confess me before men, him shall the Son of man also confess before the angels of God:

Matthew 10
32 Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven.

Romans 10
9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. 10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.


Sure he is fighter, after all he did wielded a whip and drove people out of temple :)
Yes, Jesus did that. But that wasn't His most important action. The most important thing He did was to become a sacrificial Lamb for our sins. He surrendered His blood and life on the painful Cross.

Acts 8:32
...He was led as a sheep to the slaughter; and like a lamb dumb before his shearer, so opened he not his mouth


We dont know what he did in church but we can say he could redeem himself before he took his life.
He could. Anything is possible. But unless you have some real proof, you really can't say that he did.


I admit it was entirely pure speculation but you can't deny that Hitler in fact repeatly he was christian and his speech/book already showed that he believed that he was doing Lord's work hence believing in God.
A lot of wacko people say they are Christians, or even say they are Jesus or God. That doesn't make it so. I don't think Hitler truly believed he was serving God. I think he was being self-serving, and wrote whatever he thought would justify his actions to his readers or audience.


Yea, i agree with you that all churches should be nameless :grouphug:
:)
 
I am proud to be jewish! Christian should not forsake jews and show loves from GOD to jews who looks for the truth!
 
The Bible wasn't available to common people during the Crusades.

During much of history since the time of Jesus, the Bible was suppressed by some religions and governments. It certainly wasn't "popular" for many years, in many places. That's still true today in many places.

It's the most widespread religion today, period. Graph. The cause and effect of its popularity was the crusades and various acts of history. The crusades killed alot other religions off creating a sense of fear removing freedom of choice. If you weren't a specific religion, you'd die a brutal death if caught or convinced of such act, be an outcast of society and various other things. Witch craft anyone?!
 
What about Mother Teresa and Gandhi ? Do you feel sorry for them or u dont care bec they dont believe in your God/Jesus?

Sorry for double post but I just got around to reading this and Mother Teresa was a scam artist who ripped off many people. As for Ghandi, he was a good man. I hold alot of respect for that guy.
 
I dont have insider information but you can find lot of good information about Hitler (there s no spellcheck here) 's religious.

I am sure you re aware what is Mein Kampf. In his book, he said , "I am convinced that I am acting as the agent of our Creator. By fighting off the Jews. I am doing the Lord's work." Also he repeatly that he is siding with churches and churches showed their support for Hitler. He was pissed off (like Mel Gibson is) that Jews put Jesus on the cross and wanted to punish jews thus resulting in horrible holocaust.

Where is source/reference you ask? here it is ..

Hitler's Christianity

disclaimer - I do not support hitler's acton :)

side note: it s interesting that nazis wore a belt "Gott mit uns" which means God is with us :eek3: :eek3:
But the solution is NOT to kill people just because they were descendants of those Jews!
 
It's the most widespread religion today, period. Graph. ...
According to that graph, Christianity is significant in 254 countries, and the other religions total 676. That makes Christianity a minority, at least on that graph.
 
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