Does religion really matter?

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Liebling:-))) said:
... I beleive Scriptures and doubt translation/interpretation.
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Which Scriptures do you believe? Do you mean the original documents in the original languages?
 
Secretblend said:
One flaw, those are based on man's knowledge and man's knowledge is extremly limited and are always changing. If it is always changing, then that means there is mistakes and always will be mistakes. Whenever man in involved, mistakes always happen because we do not have all knowledge. God however does have all knowledge because he created things we know and whole lot more that we don't know.
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Using your logic, bible should hold in the same regard like science community since bible was wrote by human being. If you accuse men knowledge to be flawed then you should say bible is flawed as well. did you not know that bible has been translated (some add/removed) by men for countless times and wasn't it was council of nicea decide to make Jesus divine rather than regular prophet?
 
lumbingmi said:
Using your logic, bible should hold in the same regard like science community. did you not know that bible has been translated (some add/removed) by men for countless times and wasn't it was council of nicea decide to make Jesus divine rather than regular prophet?
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Jesus is divine! Jesus is God! John 1: 1

I believe that the Bible was written by men over time directed by God (Holy Spirit) I have no doubt that as long as translation was done with correct intent that Holy Spirit was there to help them keep it correct.

Using my logic, I hold the Bible over science community!
 
Cheri said:
And second of all anyone can make a mistake even scientists so do I trust everything scientists says? no. :)
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Before scientists can publish something, they will be peer reviewed by other scientists. This is done to prevent false claims or giving misleading information to public.

Do you know what is different between theory and hypothesis? If so, then you know that hypothesis must be re-testable before it becomes theory or facts. Thus, the theory about dinosaur die out from asteroid impact remains true until some one come along and disprove that theory.

Regarding to religious, it takes quite leap of faith to believe in something that you can't see or prove it.
 
lumbingmi said:
Oh great. I thought God is all loving and forgiving person but apparently not. :ugh3:
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Yes, God is loving. That's why He protected His people from the influence and destruction of heathen people. Would it be loving to let the wicked ones continuing sinning and destroying God's chosen people?

Yes, God forgives those who seek His forgiveness. He punished those who didn't want forgiveness. He can't forgive those who prefer not to repent and seek forgiveness but prefer to continue in their sinful ways.
 
Secretblend said:
I believe that the Bible was written by men over time directed by God (Holy Spirit) I have no doubt that as long as translation was done with correct intent that Holy Spirit was there to help them keep it correct.

Using my logic, I hold the Bible over science community!
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Secretblend,

God warned us about twisted scripture interpretation like the edited out.

Let me give you an example: most new bibles "remove" from God's Word here

It's Satan and his devil followers book. The New King James Bible: Counterfeit
 
Reba said:
Yes, God is loving. That's why He protected His people from the influence and destruction of heathen people. Would it be loving to let the wicked ones continuing sinning and destroying God's chosen people?

Yes, God forgives those who seek His forgiveness. He punished those who didn't want forgiveness. He can't forgive those who prefer not to repent and seek forgiveness but prefer to continue in their sinful ways.
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What you re saying is blatantly contradict with christians' claim that God gives us "free will" to do whatever we want to do.

Why killing people while they are alive if they dont want forgiveness or repent? Throwing them to hell for eternity should be sufficient. Jeebus.
 
Cheri said:
Secretblend,

God warned us about twisted scripture interpretation like the edited out.

Let me give you an example: most new bibles "remove" from God's Word here

It's Satan and his devil followers book.
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I was going to post "lost gospels" but you already beat me to it. If you really think about it, bible is really open to any interpretation.

Crusaders use bible as inspiration to murder thousands, if not million, innocent people in name of God.
Also, our ancestors used bible to be justified for slavery and assimilate native Americans into angleo-american's way of life (forcing them to read bible).
 
lumbingmi said:
Before scientists can publish something, they will be peer reviewed by other scientists. This is done to prevent false claims or giving misleading information to public.
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Of course, God has no peers, doesn't lie, and makes no mistakes, so that gives Him the advantage. :)


...Thus, the theory about dinosaur die out from asteroid impact remains true until some one come along and disprove that theory.
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Which they did to the previous theories, and are now doing to the asteroid theory. The latest one is the volcano theory. :lol:


Regarding to religious, it takes quite leap of faith to believe in something that you can't see or prove it.
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We humans have very weak belief but God in His mercy will provide us with the belief we need, if we just ask.

Mark 9
23 Jesus said unto him, If thou canst believe, all things are possible to him that believeth. 24 And straightway the father of the child cried out, and said with tears, Lord, I believe; help thou mine unbelief.
 
lumbingmi said:
I was going to post "lost gospels" but you already beat me to it. If you really think about it, bible is really open to any interpretation.
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If it shows an ancient symbol for the Trinity on the front cover or inside the bible, then it's a forbidden bible to read. :) because an ancient symbol for the Trinity is a symbol of the number "666"

My bible does not have that, so I know I'm reading the right one. :)
 
Secretblend said:
What makes you think I only read just one version of translated Bible?
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I did not accuse you of saying you read just one, I'm just pointing out what God warned us about. :)
 
Reba said:
Of course, God has no peers, doesn't lie, and makes no mistakes, so that gives Him the advantage. :)

Oh that right God no longer talk to us human being, it is silly to ask him or question his actions/intention.

Which they did to the previous theories, and are now doing to the asteroid theory. The latest one is the volcano theory. :lol:

Huh?


We humans have very weak belief but God in His mercy will provide us with the belief we need, if we just ask.

Mark 9
23 Jesus said unto him, If thou canst believe, all things are possible to him that believeth. 24 And straightway the father of the child cried out, and said with tears, Lord, I believe; help thou mine unbelief.

Agreed. Weak people have weak belief so they need God :)
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lumbingmi said:
What you re saying is blatantly contradict with christians' claim that God gives us "free will" to do whatever we want to do.
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There is no contradiction. Part of free will to make choices means to also accept the consequences of those choices. If a person chooses to engage in a dangerous practice (drunk driving, shooting up drugs, diving off cliffs into shallow water), then that person needs to accept the consequences of that action.


Why killing people while they are alive if they dont want forgiveness or repent? Throwing them to hell for eternity should be sufficient. Jeebus.
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Why allow them to continue their destruction against other people? God doesn't take them out early just to be mean and punish them. He takes them out so they can't cause any further destruction to others.
 
lumbingmi said:
huh? do u not realize that there are many different versions of bible and each have loosely different wordings?
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I realize that you don't know enough about me to question what I know and don't know.

I would appreicate you not talking down to me.
 
Cheri said:
If it was translated differently but means the same, it's okay as long it describes the same meaning. :)
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My preferred English translation is KJV. There are some other good translations, and there are some very bad translations and paraphrases. There are good non-English translations, too. But we do need to be careful in which translation we use. Always check the source of the translation (it should be printed in the front of the book.)
 
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