Do your kids "speak" in ASL?

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As Miss Kat speaks more and more, we have noticed some "issues" in the way she puts sentences together. She says things like "Two-us go store will" and "This saw movie, before"....

The professionals say it is her ASL "showing". They, of course, want us to start limiting her exposure to ASL and signing people. We don't like that idea.

So, how do we teach her English grammar??
 
*cringes* Damn "professionals."

To be honest, the best way in my opinion - one language then the other.

Worked for me, and works with my little one.

Edit:
I was also just thinking of this... while making a post earlier -- most of my issues with how to use punctuations is caused by interpreters signing in english, and every single time I have to take a bit of time to think how to use whatever... I remember clearly the days I was confused in class because of the dang interpreters.
 
*cringes* Damn "professionals."

To be honest, the best way in my opinion - one language then the other.

Worked for me, and works with my little one.

Edit:
I was also just thinking of this... while making a post earlier -- most of my issues with how to use punctuations is caused by interpreters signing in english, and every single time I have to take a bit of time to think how to use whatever... I remember clearly the days I was confused in class because of the dang interpreters.

Can you explain what you mean?

Her grammar is clearly coming from ASL. She leaves out "is", "are", "a", "the", and phrases things exactly how you would sign them.
 
Can you explain what you mean?

Her grammar is clearly coming from ASL. She leaves out "is", "are", "a", "the", and phrases things exactly how you would sign them.

My English was never good till I got to high school and was introduced to the internet. (just letting you know this)

I am not sure of the academic setting you have for your kid, but one thing they need to emphasis is that ASL and English are two separate languages.

But....... I don't have any experience with how to grow up as a deaf person who speaks... Or raise one. Hmm

From what I can/have read - Your kid is a strong visual learner. Maybe adapt some teaching method to visual instead of auditory for written English then have that carried over to spoken?
 
*cringes* Damn "professionals."

To be honest, the best way in my opinion - one language then the other.

Worked for me, and works with my little one.

Edit:
I was also just thinking of this... while making a post earlier -- most of my issues with how to use punctuations is caused by interpreters signing in english, and every single time I have to take a bit of time to think how to use whatever... I remember clearly the days I was confused in class because of the dang interpreters.

Totally agree...

I agree with you. One language and then the other. It is happening with my hearing son. He is progressing really nice with both languages.
 
Totally agree...

I agree with you. One language and then the other. It is happening with my hearing son. He is progressing really nice with both languages.

Uh, we did one language and then the other.The first 5 years were ASL and now it is time for English.

Does anyone have any ideas? How do we teach elements of a new language that are not used in the first language?
 
Uh, we did one language and then the other.The first 5 years were ASL and now it is time for English.

Does anyone have any ideas? How do we teach elements of a new language that are not used in the first language?

If you're doing that, it seems to me from this post that she's "starting" to learn english... I wouldn't fret over it too much, she'll pick it up in time.

I'm in Durango right now, email me if you have more questions, ill check them later. Will be on internet tomorrow.

Take care
 
Uh, we did one language and then the other.The first 5 years were ASL and now it is time for English.

Does anyone have any ideas? How do we teach elements of a new language that are not used in the first language?

Have her read, read, and read..that's the best thing she can do. It takes time.
 
Have her read, read, and read..that's the best thing she can do. It takes time.

Show me a deaf person with excellent English skills and I'll show you someone who reads a lot. I used to read a lot though I rarely read books now.
 
Same with Li-Li -- English definitely sounds like a second language from her. We had someone ask us if her unusual word order was because Mandarin was her first language, they didn't realize she was deaf -- we were just so excited that someone else was understanding her words :)

Her SLP at her school has noted the same issue you've found -- because ASL was her first language, she's applying ASL grammar rules to English -- and the SLP has starting emphasizing English grammar now that the articulation issues are mostly behind us. She's only recently begun using plural, -ing and past / future tenses.

We typically incorporate both sign and spoken language in our conversations at home, looks like from the advice here, we may need to start putting some space between the two languages.

I've got several friends who faced the same challenge raising their daughters in a French, English, Danish language household (and their environment -- they are in Luxembourg where there's such a multitude of languages in play everywhere). The children, adopted from China and new to all of these languages, were delayed in language, and they were advised to limit exposure to one language (they chose French) in the household and school for a couple of years. It's been about five years, and once the children were fluent in French, their second, but now primary language, they slowly added back in English and are now comfortable enough with languages that the whole family is learning Mandarin (they spend a great deal of time in Asia).

You may need to put a whole lot of space (and time) between the languages, as it seems you're considering, but I don't see the necessity of limiting exposure to signing people !! :) It's not like these little girls had to forego visits to their grandparents who spoke only Danish because they were focusing on French in the home ) .
 
My English was never good till I got to high school and was introduced to the internet. (just letting you know this)

Same here except I first used the internet when I was in a very late 20's. If I were a kid, and using the internet, then I would probably have more vocabulary for better self expression and to be able to bring me to the main matters to others by now.
 
Show me a deaf person with excellent English skills and I'll show you someone who reads a lot. I used to read a lot though I rarely read books now.

That is exactly what I did when I was young in elementary and high school, lots of reading books until I graduated from high school. I loved to read books but when I became adult, I stopped reading, only to read magazines or newspapers plus studied books in colleges. Now I have internet to brush up my English sentences when posting here. I still read the local newspapers twice a week here on the island. Sometimes I catch up some of the books that I was interest in right here on the island. Not too bad. But for children, I would encourage them to read books as it is good to read children's books to approve their English sentences better. That is my motto. :cool2:
 
I agree with all the readers. That is certainly a great way to obtain good English skills.
 
Another vote for reading as much as possible.

Having attended a number of summer "ASL Immersion Camps" (for hearing, hoh & deaf learning basic to advanced ASL, advanced and fluent ASLers to work on specific skills & vocab etc, and for interpreters to advance and work on various 'terp skills etc) - I learned a few really good pointers on reading to Hoh & Deaf ASLers (infants, children and even adults)

Assuming the primary language of communication is ASL:
When reading - pick a short story and read it twice in a row... The first time read the book using ASL grammar (so not "word for word English") to ensure they understand the ASL grammar and concepts presented in the story.
Then go back and read the story in English word order (not necessarily SEEI/II, but this would be an appropriate place to use it - as a means of explaining English verses ASL ). If you don't elect to use SEE I/II to read the story the second time through - sign the story using ASL signs and adding all of the "it", "at","the",,"is" etc in the correct location. While signing the story in "English" have the child (or yourself) point to each word that corresponds to the ASL sign.

Reading is a perfect time to explain concepts such as the use in English of "is", "the" etc ... I know there are a number of websites that explain usefully ways to show what the purpose of "is","the","it","a" are in English speech. ASLe is one "new" technique that I personally think makes a lot of sense.

Reading lots of books with ASL users is very very helpful for the ASL users and Hoh/deaf who don't use ASL as well. For ASL users it makes the connection between the two languages and allows us to improve our understanding regarding parts of speech while also expanding our vocabulary. For non-signers, reading helps make sense of what we are able to hear... because so many sounds in English aren't accessible to (many of) us - reading allows us to see patterns in phrases, fills gaps in words that we "hear" but can't understand due to the letter combinations used etc.

Learning to read is often a VERY difficult skill - but it is one that is worth putting in a LOT of effort on a daily basis... especially for young children. It took me many many years to become "good" at reading. At first it was a LOT of work, it wasn't fun and it was very very frustrating. Once I learned how word ending worked, how to decipher the letters that made up words into actual words it because much easier (because I'm Hoh I use a combination of sounding words out, and looking for patterns/parts of other words I already know). Finally in Grade 5 (so at about 9years old) I managed to "unlock the code of reading"!! Some how all my very very hard work paid off - the words on the page made sense, and I went from "having to practice" to "wanting to practice" ... I found a few book series that I really liked and since then I read a LOT. I'm still not super super fast, however I'm also not super slow ... I enjoy the words and find that if I don't rush I understand them better (and reading isn't a race!).

For those struggling with Reading, or helping their child (especially ASLers) with reading &/or learning English - be patient, reward them for trying hard, remind them that it is difficult at first but it does get easier and then it will even be fun - like creating a movie in their imagination!! I think a lot of children see that they are having more trouble than their peers (especially hearing peers) and get discouraged ... they think that they are the only ones having that much trouble. Reminding them that there are a LOT of people who struggled and had to work hard to learn to be good at reading - some who are a lot older than them may help :)


When reading English (for the purpose of learning reading/English Grammar etc) It's important that English parts of speech are explained so that are able to make sense to ASL users ... which means doing better than pointing out the part of speech and then giving similar examples. Instead, it means showing, through ASL how the parts of speech work and why that specific English word is used instead of another, for example "an apple" (instead of "a apple"), versus "the apple" ...

"An Apple" means, a (single) general apple (not a specific one, just "any apple")- located somewhere (that you can't see right now).

"An" is always used instead of "A" if the first letter of the next word is a vowel or the letter "h" (a e i o u y h)

"The Apple" means a specific apple - maybe one you can see in the room, or one that is located in a certain place that you are thinking of.

If someone says "I want an apple" this means that any type of apple will do, it doesn't matter which apple you bring them

If someone says "I want the apple" this means that they have a specific apple they are wanting. "I want the apple" would usually be followed with the location of the apple "I want the apple on the floor", "I want the apple in the fridge" .

If the person can see "the apple" and there are other apples in the same location they would say "I want that apple" and point to the exact apple they wanted.

Hope that helps ... I realize it's a bit off topic
 
Read, Read, Read. Good old childrens classics.
Teach the child to read a loud to you and you correct the mistake/remind the child not to miss a word.
I used to read to my little brother at bedtimes.

I have worked in 2 different schools recently, one is Oral deaf school, another is Mainstream with Resource Base.
The oral deaf school always made sure the child (for example 9 years old) had completed and got a fresh book every Fridays and their parents write in book on how the child reads at weekends, on Mondays the teacher reads the comments from parents and polishes up the difficulty/mistakes with the child. Most of the children are on par with hearing children.
The mainstream school , sadly are different, they don't take it seriously, the oral children were 1/2 years behind in literacy (among other subjects), the BSL children are similar, it's not their fault, it's usually the parents who doesn't help, their class teachers who "forgets them" or they too are pushed with too many children in class and meeting the curriculum, the deaf children is often get sent back to resource base to have their work alternated due to understanding in english thus they fall behind.

Commit into Miss Kat's eductation, see her mistakes/weakness, help her, she will do fine. (I know you will, most parents don't), Praises and encouragements, star board or stickers (kids love them!) is a good way.
 
I agree that reading is the key. When I was a kid, and had a hard time being forced to read anything of books but I often got sleepy and bored for some reasons. My mom had a hard time sitting with me and encouraged me to read over and over and over. All I did was to picked the fussy fights. Like I said, If I were a kid, using the internet then I would read more through the internet such of kid reading stuffs on the internet that won't make me sleepy. LIke now I am reading more on the internet than reading the book. I do read local newspapers, some magazines and romantic book (danielle steel only). I do enjoy reading anything on the internet.
Now I know, reading is more sense to me then I can write and do ASL separately but in a way of making sense to express myself better. I rely on my strong eyes more than rely on my hearing that is more comforts to me even though I had HAs. Teachers made me to use my voice and listen at the same time by reading and learning the sentences and it got me confusing more. I know when I was a kid and using my eyes to visualizing everything like absording words going through my eyes to my brain rather than my hearing with HAs to my brain. So I am a visual learner and I am more comfortable with it.
 
Reading and repetition are key to good English skills. The Dr. Seuss books are fantastic. You might also think about a book on tape or CD if her CI will work that way. That was what got my daughter going big time.

My mother's thinks that's why I have such good vocabulary and my son as well. We are voracious readers.
 
I spoke with the youngest implanted child at the time on the west coast about this..

We agreed on one thing: reading a ton.
 
But hey, as you can see, one language delayed then it will catch up well.

Nothing too big or serious for me to worry about.
 
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