Disrespectful Principal ... *shake my head*

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First of all, let me share my story how the beginning is in Summer time 2006 then you will understand how the problem was begin..

We received a letter telling us that our both sons will have a new Principal after Summer School Vacation 2006. (It’s their 3rd Principal since 1999).

After Summer school vacation, we got a letter again telling us to attend parental evening to learn to know him in September 2006. I see no problem for that but the problem is get an interpreter because of too short notice.

Anyway, I notified the Agency of Interpreter Central and explain her that we have a new Principal… No Problem… Unfortunately she don’t have an Interpreter for us on that date. I explained the reason in writing to a new Principal why we can’t attend parental evening without an Interpreter and asked him to remind to let us know within 4 weeks before the date of appointment next time. No Replied from him… We assumed that he aware it for next time.

My both sons told us that they don’t like their new Principal and described us about his character during their visit me in 5 weeks Spa. My hubby told me that Danny’s friend’s mother described Principal as disrespectful and rude person to him. It’s time for her to consider other school. I was like wow… I told my hubby that it’s time for us to learn to know him better ourselves when I came home from Spa. We agreed.

We began noticed that Danny came home with no homework. (I know his Principal is his 8 Grade teacher). Of course we asked him where his homework is. He said that his homework have done at school. We were like Huh?:eek3: He told us that Principal is not in classroom in almost everyday because he is busy with his job task as Principal. I find no right that Principal have both jobs as Principal and teacher task to neglect his teaching to 8 Graders. As Principal, he should stay in the office and other teacher to teach them… The reason, we want to find out and make an arrange to meet him after New Year. During my 5 weeks spa, my hubby paid his visit to see Principal himself as person and don´t like him due his manner behavior… it´s impossible to make polite communicate with him etc.

I came home from Spa, found a letter from Principal to inform us about the date of Parental evening which it’s only 3 days close to that date… It got me :pissed: because he knows very well thru my writing of September that it’s impossible to get Interpreter for that short notice. Agency of Interpreter Central is mad because she can’t get me interpreter again for second time. She phoned Principal… Guess What? “Not my problem”, he said…and then said that why can´t we use Danny as Interpreter then? It pissed Agency total and told us about the negative conversation between her and him… I’m total speechless. It should not carry on like this. We choose to ignore his second letter for inform us the date of parental evening because he know very well from my letter of September that it’s too short notice to get Interpreter and continue to write a firm letter to request him to give us which date for our meeting after New Year because we want to meet him with an Interpreter.

I forwarded his replied with the date appointment of our meeting plan to Agency to get an Interpreter for us. Guess what? He cancelled our appointment in last minute, that´s because he has an important meeting. I know Agency’s rule for inform within 24 hours before cancel appointment for Interpreter. I forwarded his fax to Agency. It got her mad and knows that it’s not our fault… Agency said that we don’t pay the cost of Interpreter but Principal because he did READ and sign the Interpreter Application Agreement before forward it to her. He denied to cover the cost of Interpreter and said that it´s not his fault. We found out that “important appointment” is not an emergency. We don’t know what happened after that…???

My hubby faxed Principal to ask him how is our sons sometimes per month for years... with no problem... We asmuse that everything is okay when thereré no answer... (we already discussed with agreement in the past)... His angry tone reply: he told my hubby off for put his surname wrong spelling (should be ***ae****, not ***ea***) in nasty way instead of polite way and asked him to stop to bother him with his fax...… How dare he treat us as "fax terrorist" like this. Then again, he asked us to not fax him again until any emergencies comes then we will inform from him in writing. I don’t like his tone to tell us what to do like this. This is an insult! I really have no problem with 1st and 2nd Principals but him...?

Danny already made his first work experience at Industrial company for 2 weeks last November 2006. He has a wonderful and very positive report from Industrial company... it was wow... He is plan to have his second work experience at Bosch company last March but he missed it. Guess what? Principal attacked us in writing as bad parents to “neglect” Danny’s future experience etc. Why can’t we parents contact every company via phone etc…? and threat us to inform CPS because of our 2 missing attend at parental evenings, not even bother to ask him how’s our sons etc. instead of ask us something in polite way... We are total speechless because it´s him who complaint that we fax him regular to know how our sons are... Now he label us as neglect parent... Can you image how we feel after read those insult letters like this? It makes us :pissed: How dare him!!! How could I work/support together with him to help our sons’ future development due his rude and disrespectful behavior? Of course we check with Danny on this. Danny was like :confused: and told me that Principal told his 8th Graders to make their own calls to every company to get one or two week practicing course. No free for him but they have free for him in July 2007. I said: why he wrote such like this… Danny said “ha, it´s him, now you know what he is” Okay, I wrote an unfriendly and firm letter to tell him that we do not appreciate his insult letter to label us as neglect parents… just simple attack on us without ask us in polite way to inform us... We are parents who are glad to solve things with him and work together with him... then told him if he still consider us as neglect parent then he feel free to contact CPS but remind him to meet us at school, not our house if CPS come...

On next day after that, we informed Social worker for teenagers in his office room at school about this situation and want him to be there at meeting when Principal wants to have CPS around. He was like Huh? CPS? We told him to ask Principal himself, we got enough of him and time for us consider other school for my both sons. He was like sigh. It seem that he heard it often enough. He asked us to company him to see Principal... We said no, and explain that he is the reason, we come to, not Principal.

Danny got a bad report from him last February. Its hard to beleive because he improve his good report in each year... He shows his moviate interest on school work... and good sozialize... I show those report to Social Worker of teenager. He was like WHAT.. and know Danny too well and know his social behavior is very good... Ach, what I thought so... It sounds pretty illogical to me... Social Worker suggest us to not sign his report... Okay, we wrote a letter with reason why we rejected to sign his report because his neglect teacher skill to busy as Principal etc... which is not right. (He is almost not there in class room.) No replied.

Again, we got a letter from him for 3rd time to attend Parental evening on 15th March date 12th March 2007… I’m toooooo tired and :pissed: because we WANT to be there at parental evening. I don’t bother to reply his letter but forward his letter to Agency. Understandable, she :pissed: totally. Agency advised us to not answer his letter and don’t bother to attend parental evening. I told her that I did like that at his second letter… guess what, he insulted us as bad and neglect parents and threaten us to inform CPS. Agency was speechless and told me to not worry and is on our side against his word because she knows us for years because we attend parental evenings and conference a lot for years.

After 15th March, he gave a letter to Danny for us and make sure that we read them. (Danny knows those situations between us and him in past letters etc). Danny told him that he can´t do anything with his letter for us but he can fax my mom and dad himself. Principal said to him that he do not appreciate his disrespectful behavior toward him... Danny said back to him... What do with that respect, when I suggest you to fax my mom and dad yourself because I can´t do anything with your letter. Is it disrespectful or what? Principal told him that he is going to inform CPS because of his (Danny)´s disrespectful behavior, it should not carry on like this. Danny said to him: “Pardon, you can do whatever you want to" and then walk off... We are total speechless that Danny support us when he told us what happened.… He said that he doesn’t mind to get any information or letters from teachers to us but him…No Way… He has no respect on him. We don´t blame him... *sigh* I got a fax from him on the same day telling me that our meeting with CPS and Alan´s teacher will be held in his office on 21st March due the reason is our 3 missing attend parental evenings, Danny´s negative social behavior is not acceptance, this is a parental neglect.... I forward it to Agency with no word... I answered his fax and demand Social Worker for teenagers to be present at our meeting and ask him to respect it please. Do Alan´s teacher has the problem with Alan or what? He answered, no but he want Alan´s teacher to be present as the same as we want Social Worker to be present... It´s be fair..., that´s what he said... :roll: *shake my head*

We had meeting at last yesterday. I looked at him and don’t like him straight way. We listen his talk until end.... CPS, Social Worker, Alan´s teacher and Interpreter were like :confused: and *waiting for our side*....because they know us too well... My hubby & I looked at him with *shake head* movement... and suggest CPS to call Agency for her confirmation and gave her Agency´s phone number. She will confirm my statement against Principal´s word. CPS asked: what Agency do with those situation. My hubby explained her that Agency struggled with him thru his negative behavior and then explain about Interpreter situation etc.. CPS and Social Worker understood that we must be inform within 4 weeks before date appointment. CPS was like mmmhhh with nodding movement... He choose to ignore my first letter of September and contince to inform us about parental evening few days before date arrangement. What should we do? nothing but ignore his letters and firm with him in writing few times... How could we work together with him due his behavior... etc... Where is his respect then? He interfered our unfinished talk and tell us that we should not talk about him & us but our sons.. Huh? I told him that I thought our neglect as parent is the reason why he arrange the meeting here for? Social Worker jumped and tried to solve our situation and said that we should not try to push the faults each other. *SUPER :thumb:*, I said to myself and said to him. “EXCACTLY, that’s what we are here for and want to work/support together with teachers… How could we work together with him due his attack and insult letters and fax… which is not acceptance. Principal blow his head and :pissed: on us and label me & my hubby as "touchy people" who can´t accept his behavior like this... It´s HIM.... we should respect that... I said front of CPS, Social Worker, Interpreter and Alan’s teacher… “See?” with my nasty smile. My hubby said the same thing... See? This is the best proof that it´s himself who has no respect on anyone, not us and Danny... Don´t he know what respect is about... Why has he no respect my writing of September in first place then? I told him that he is not right Principal. It :pissed: him more... Principal said that why we continue to let our sons to his school then? My hubby answered: Yes, it´s time for us to consider to have our sons to other school because we saw real in him and understood my sons and parents of children who are not satisfed with you as Principal. Don´t you notice some parents put their children to other school after New Year then? and show his fax and letters to CPS and Social Worker to read…. They were total speechless. CPS stopped us and saw the problem and tried to solve with Prinicpal to understand our side. Principal still pissed and said that Danny’s behavior is disrespectful etc.. etc.. I gave him nasty laugh and remind him that Danny is not our Interpreter and Postman but our SON... Got it?!!!! I do not consider that Danny is disrespectful person for tell you to fax us himself please and we have the right to reject Danny as our Interpreter... Got it? and then asked him: Have you check Danny’s past history record in the file and our deafness etc… Interpreter etc..? I’m sure that you knew that Danny has a good record in school file. Why he elect to become Class Speaker due his good and positive social behavior. Why put bad report on him for? Is it because of his respectful behavior? Nope, It’s you who has no respect, not us. Do you want us to get Danny here to hear your negative claim about him? CPS and Social Worker stopped me and said it´s enough.

CPS and Social Worker stop our fights between him and us and tried to solve things… But Principal got Alan’s teacher to leave with him and said to us that one hour meeting is over because they don’t want to neglect their students in class room and said that it’s not really his problem for get Interpreter at his short notice. It’s him, we should show our respect. It’s our bad luck if we don’t have Interpreter to attend parental evening… Why can´t use Danny as Interpreter... It´s no hamr... It´s only form of "social help" then?... Can you image how I feel… It blew my head up to roof and stood up and told him what I thought of him and see no excuse for his action because his frequent absence in class room due his job as Principal… Principal answered… “So, 8th Graders are adult and can consider their education ,etc…” I said “WHAT IS THAT SCHOOL????????????” that’s students need education… and now I tell you… It’s YOU who neglect 8th Graders’ education…, not us… Yes, you are not right Principal... Again, CPS, teacher, my hubby, Social worker calm me down…. I was real :pissed: Principal and Alan´s teacher went off… leave us alone with CPS, Interpreter and Social Worker... My body are total shake... real :pissed:

I told them that it’s time for us to look other school for my both sons. I can’t communicate with that man who can´t deal how to respect the people… No wonder, why the people show their disrespectful in return... We want to go to see School Authority to make a report against him... CPS and Social Worker spent their time to calm us down… and they are going to check with school authority and will try do everything to help us. CPS said to us that they know us too well and know we are good parents.... because we went their office a lot for support my sons´s speech development, child minder, farm vacation, etc.

On the same time, I told my boys that it’s time for us to consider other school for them because I don’t want my boys learn the example from him. They said that they won´t learn his bad examples... Danny suggest that he continued to stay 8th Grade and get other teacher after Summer holiday, not step up to 9 Grade with that same Principal. (they have same teachers in every 2 years)... I told him that I thinking about.. We will have a talk again this weekends.

Now I am done!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I feel better after get out of my chest...
 
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wow.. Amazing..

You can get Germany Charter Rights against the principal, and show CPS everything.

Whoever broke your violate rights!
 
WHOA....you can FUCKING SUE that principal for discrimination...You are in right way.... Principal is in wrong...
 
WHOA!! You can look for another school. I agree with you and principal are always wrong. I have the same problem with my 4 years old son's school teacher and principal...
 
DUH he is neglecting the parents and the kids by ignoring them
he is IDIOT

he needs to GROW up

fortunely good luck to look for other schools hopefully other school will be better than this one
 
Really a terrible and sad thing going on...hope you and hubby can somehow get a barrister to assist with this situation.....
 
it sounds like the principal doesn't understand how to be a teacher or principal. And Frankly, the school should have replaced him with a new teacher when they made him principal... IMO.

He doesn't seem to respect your or your husband's need to be aware of what's going on in school. I'd go to someone above him, Here in the US We call it the School Board.. Not sure what you call it in Germany.
 
Whoa wow, Princpal is so mean. He seems not accpet your deafness. You can sue him for not do right job.
 
:eek: Sounds like your boys got a principal from hell. I'll tell that principal to stick it where it shines, and what he did was very disrespectful. I'll give him hell if I were you. ;)
 
Wow...that's awful! Iam sorry that u had to put up with his BS!!! Teacher and a principal at the same time???

I hope u can get everything resolved soon!!!

Hugs for having to go thru all that stress! Iam glad u had the other agencies supporting u. Whew!
 
It was totally unethical for the principal to expect you to use your son as an interpreter for the meeting. There is no way that is allowed.

I don't know what laws Germany has that are similar to the USA ADA. I hope you do have something similar that you can use.

I want to be sure I understand something. Do you mean the interpreters must have at least four weeks advance notice for an appointment?

Please keep all the letters, faxes, reports, etc., so you will have proof to support your case.

That's so sad that your sons have a principal who is not sensitive to the communication needs of Deaf parents. Most of the principals and counselors I have worked with are very caring of Deaf parents, and try very hard to satisfy their needs for interpreters. They let them take all the time they need during a meeting, and they document all meetings.

I hope Danny gets a chance to experience Bosch. That's an important worldwide company. We have a Bosch plant a few miles from my house. They employ many people.

I hope this awful experience doesn't upset your health. Please try to keep calm, take a soothing bubble bath by candlelight, and enjoy a quiet evening with your hubby. :hug:
 
Wow, first I would like to say good vent Liebling, glad you feel a little better :hug:...

I'm really sorry that you and your family are experiences this terrible treatment from the principal, and I agree with you that there should be a teacher in his classroom instead of having the principal taken over a classroom when he barley unable to make it for a lot of reason, where the teaching in all of this?....and for interpreter, very sad to hear he's being so stubborn over this..I agree with Cheri, you got a principal from hell :smh:..

I also agree with Reba here, take a nice bubble bath , and have a couple glasses of wine :hug:
 
WHOA!

i cant believe this story but becareful against this principal and you get hires this interpreter to principal what you saying i know that aint easy for that!

my parent never against principal before but its nice my old principal can sign and needs interpreter for special occasion like graduation or whatevers and mostly parents never blame for that
 
wow.. Amazing..

You can get Germany Charter Rights against the principal, and show CPS everything.

Whoever broke your violate rights!

Yes, CPS know about violate human rights, that's why she is going to check with her co-workers before contact school authority. What's that *BS* man is discrimination.
 
WHOA....you can FUCKING SUE that principal for discrimination...You are in right way.... Principal is in wrong...

Yes, we are being recommend to have our first step is go to see Integration Adviser for discrimination and social human rights violations first before contact school authorities because that man should not our sons' Principal. If they do nothing then check with lawyer for discrimination of human rights. (I know CPS will contact authorities as well).

We are thinking about sue him but we will check with lawyer on 30th March at 9.00 am for his advice first... I beleive that the lawyer would advise us to check with Integration Adviser and then school authorities first before the lawyer able to make action.
(Prinicpal is not reason, why my hubby made an appointment with lawyer of employee rights for lawyer's legal advice on 30th March but he will add Principals' situtation for his advice).
 
WHOA!! You can look for another school. I agree with you and principal are always wrong. I have the same problem with my 4 years old son's school teacher and principal...

Yeah, we don't have the problem to solve with teachers and Principals in past years until that Principal of September 2006 for a first time... It's great to work together with teachers and principal to develop our children's future etc.. but with that discrimination and disrespectful is not acceptance.

Oh dear, Crazymomma... I can feel your pain when you have the problem with teacher and Principal. Is it discrimination, what your son's teacher and principal did to you? If yes, then check with USA ADA (accord Reba's post but mine is different - see my post above). Do you consider to put your son at other school?
 
DUH he is neglecting the parents and the kids by ignoring them
he is IDIOT

he needs to GROW up

fortunely good luck to look for other schools hopefully other school will be better than this one

yeah, I agree that he needs to grow up... He is very stubborn and do what he wants... *shake my head*

Thanks... We will have family discussion this weekends about look for other school... That's school where my sons grew up, have very good enviroment...
but that Principal... *BS*
 
Really a terrible and sad thing going on...hope you and hubby can somehow get a barrister to assist with this situation.....

Yes, we prepare to do that with the help from Interpreter. She will arrange the appointment with Integration Adviser for discrimination and social human rights violations first then we will see further... Of course my hubby will ask the lawyer for extra advice about those situation on 30th March.
 
it sounds like the principal doesn't understand how to be a teacher or principal. And Frankly, the school should have replaced him with a new teacher when they made him principal... IMO.

Yes, that's what I said to him that he is not right person to be teacher and principal.

Yes I agree that he should not get job as principal and teacher in one. That's why we will check with legal rights.

Should I move my sons to other school and let principal stick with his job... ?No Way... We want to make sure that he is out of my sons school.


He doesn't seem to respect your or your husband's need to be aware of what's going on in school. I'd go to someone above him, Here in the US We call it the School Board.. Not sure what you call it in Germany.

School Board, you mean is School Authority. Yes, I menioned in my first thread that we are going to school Authority as the same as CPS as well. I was recommend to check with Integration Adviser for discrimination and social human rights violations first then...

I'm afraid yes, he has no respect us as parent but his own way.


 
Whoa wow, Princpal is so mean. He seems not accpet your deafness. You can sue him for not do right job.

Yeah... I am still :pissed: sometimes... I tried to not think about those 2 days old sitution... Try to enjoy myself this weekends. Today is my son's 14th birthday... I spoil him with a REAL good breakfast today before he enjoy his school...
 
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