Difference between HARD of HEARING and DEAF

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VacationGuy234 said:
You need to re-read the posts, it's not about whether you can be friends with Deaf(although it may be harder to do that in UK), it's about whether you are considered Deaf vs deaf.

In this totally accepting community you speak of, what is the difference between Deaf and deaf? Are you saying there is no difference and no distinction?
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true Deaf are the ones with a political goal, and VG's is partly right that many Deaf do not know what they talking about but just follow the crowd 'as fashtionble attitudes'...and dare as I say many of which, are misguided to think its all about 'getting it out there by culture celebrations, or showing heares how to sign...i , myself thinks its a wrong way to go about it, it has its place, but its weak. To me, its being a play thing for the hearies and giving them cheap language lessons...
we need to have a much stronger political focus, like recently a few months ago, there has been some protests and push to get ASL to be recognised as a National language, not a foreign language in USA!

that sort of thing, but that is only a start...
we need more than ADA, which is only 'accomodation-relevant' organisation, it doesnt go that far either...

I liek Deaf, but its not taken seriously by MOST people, Including those who proclaims themsevles as Deaf...to me it is More than language-use choice, or who you socialise with, it should be alot more. But sadly it's failing.

there is a lot of mess that needs d/Deaf people to be the ones to do the Professional, academic jobs of cleaning it up, and Galludent is containminated by the likes of Jordan, and Fernandez....the Deaf Prez now campaign needs a re-boot, but with a political will to do what ADA did for disabled, and get what it really needs for Deaf, like Alleycats' complaint of the online appointment request going from net to voice phone, that is unacceptable asn for that we need a firm stand to say what is acceptable and what is NOT.
 
I do feel for you a bit VG, according to my own deaf community in my shit-town, they cosnider me as "not Deaf enough' im like F.u....but i turn it around, and say I pity them because they are gulliable and get knocked over by hearing administrators in Auckland and the likes to limit the powers of Deaf people to get real changes. So i dont worry about them (the locals, althought have a handful who are good, others so and so and others are total disphits) I just worry about what I am interested in and do that instead. Im too busy for any kind of bullshit you know?
 
VacationGuy234 said:
Well, Jane Fernandez was not hearing, she was deaf, late deafened to be exact. If deafness was not the issue and management was the issue, why would being hearing or late deafened make a difference?

Are you saying she was not deaf enough to properly manage a college?
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have you been to Gally?
 
Jiro said:
how so?
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Jiro, I think it was a typo, chances are, what VG meant is, t,
there is a cultural difference to what Deaf with a capital D means.

to be;
IS there a cultural difference with what Deaf with a capital D means.
Actually, a capital D thus far, meant (under a scholarly definition) to annouce a concept that follows a CULTURAL Model of what deaf people means, (Deaf people), that is, they are a linguistic/Soceital Minority in very much the same way as Mexicians in America are as a cultural/ethnic minority!...
now that is what it is, an "Ethnic minority" in treatment, but the failing aspects are, that from the Medical viewpoint, Deafness is an imperfection of what makes up an individual as human, so thus the political wishes from Deaf people are not accounted for, not giving any consideration, because 'its from a lesser humans with a lesser intellectual capability, with a lesser potential to run its own course, with a lesser resource to carry out the changes they want. So consequencely, d/Deaf (< my preference because I am willing to include verbal deafs who had their identitly and linguistic/societal experiential components of life stolen from them) are being ignored, and only are given 'some listening to' only on the hearie's accounts, for example, to control Deaf, is to 'give them a date to celebrate their colourful (yet lesser) existence in society in order to pacify, and render the neo-liberalisim codes of political flavour to be strongly instilled in to the members of society by emphasising on rights of individuals,rather than rights of a group. So making people to focus on 'celebration' does two things, to take attention away from political will, and to focus on identity, which in marketing terms, means alot of potential for sales thru selling or T-shirts, expensive assistive technologies, selling ideas of Pride, (and away from politics)m to render d/Deaf as inactive but fooling them to think active in society only by shifting the focus on sports and dramas, nothing else. The playing field in real politics is then effectively removed from the attention of d/Deaf people!!

I am saying alot here, and if any of you dont get it, then sorry its just too soon to spell it out into the consciousness of d/Deaf people.
 
Grummer said:
Jiro, I think it was a typo, chances are, what VG meant is, t,
there is a cultural difference to what Deaf with a capital D means.

to be;
IS there a cultural difference with what Deaf with a capital D means.
Actually, a capital D thus far, meant (under a scholarly definition) to annouce a concept that follows a CULTURAL Model of what deaf people means, (Deaf people), that is, they are a linguistic/Soceital Minority in very much the same way as Mexicians in America are as a cultural/ethnic minority!...
now that is what it is, an "Ethnic minority" in treatment, but the failing aspects are, that from the Medical viewpoint, Deafness is an imperfection of what makes up an individual as human, so thus the political wishes from Deaf people are not accounted for, not giving any consideration, because 'its from a lesser humans with a lesser intellectual capability, with a lesser potential to run its own course, with a lesser resource to carry out the changes they want. So consequencely, d/Deaf (< my preference because I am willing to include verbal deafs who had their identitly and linguistic/societal experiential components of life stolen from them) are being ignored, and only are given 'some listening to' only on the hearie's accounts, for example, to control Deaf, is to 'give them a date to celebrate their colourful (yet lesser) existence in society in order to pacify, and render the neo-liberalisim codes of political flavour to be strongly instilled in to the members of society by emphasising on rights of individuals,rather than rights of a group. So making people to focus on 'celebration' does two things, to take attention away from political will, and to focus on identity, which in marketing terms, means alot of potential for sales thru selling or T-shirts, expensive assistive technologies, selling ideas of Pride, (and away from politics)m to render d/Deaf as inactive but fooling them to think active in society only by shifting the focus on sports and dramas, nothing else. The playing field in real politics is then effectively removed from the attention of d/Deaf people!!

I am saying alot here, and if any of you dont get it, then sorry its just too soon to spell it out into the consciousness of d/Deaf people.
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I'm asking VG how so because VG's viewpoint is incredibly different from ours especially in same state.

Why is it that he's seeing something that we didn't? hence.... how so? I see that he's refusing to answer any of our questions.
 
VacationGuy234 said:
Because it is a generic name accepted as a label which readily tells people the type of subtitles. It is no different than using the label "Aspirin" which is now a generic name, but is used to describe many brands. It is the meaning which is generally accepted.
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Poor excuse!

VacationGuy234 said:
That is also not true. There are Deaf who could benefit from hearing devices who refuse to use them and refuse to have their children use them. It is part of what being Deaf with a capital D means.
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I am Deaf and a hearing aid is useless to me since I won't be able to understand the sounds. Beneficial? HA HA! Alot of ASL interpreters like Reba know better than you. Unbelievable! SMH

Edited: There are millions of Deaf like me and some of them wear HA or CI because they want to hear the sounds which doesn't necessarily mean that they understand the sounds. For example, I listen to music with a HA but I can't tell what it comes from such as drum, bass guitar or piano. That's why it's not beneficial to alot of the Deaf, even though they still want to wear a HA which is their business. BTW, Deaf don't usually reject anybody who knows ASL even including hearing people.
 
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CrazyPaul said:
Poor excuse!
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Well, what would you rather name the subtitles so that everyone, hearing and deaf, can understand what it means?


There are millions of Deaf like me and some of them wear HA or CI because they want to hear the sounds
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If you don't have a problem with those people using a capital D, fine.

It has not been my experience that those people would be looked at favorably by people who use a capital D. It's a different experience. I'm surprised you've never encountered it.
 
Is the above an example of the ongoing "intermural exercise" - what does it mean to be "deaf/Deaf/DEAF" within the binary: Hearing/Deaf paradigm?
Hasn't technology changed over the last hundred years since the "steamboat era"?
 
drphil said:
Is the above an example of the ongoing "intermural exercise" - what does it mean to be "deaf/Deaf/DEAF" within the binary: Hearing/Deaf paradigm?
Hasn't technology changed over the last hundred years since the "steamboat era"?
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Technology, yes. Attitude, no.
 
VacationGuy234 said:
Well, what would you rather name the subtitles so that everyone, hearing and deaf, can understand what it means?




If you don't have a problem with those people using a capital D, fine.

It has not been my experience that those people would be looked at favorably by people who use a capital D. It's a different experience. I'm surprised you've never encountered it.
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what do you wish for deaf people? i mean what one or two things you would like to see to be granted that would help yourself and other deaf people? what kind of fairness would you like to see? if you really stop and think, maybe you'd find you'd have more in common with deaf people than you might realise in the first place, (in regard to political goals which I wrote of in previous 2-3 posts) ? hmmm, relax a bit man, just try and see what common struggles that we all may have...
cheer up
 
Grummer said:
what do you wish for deaf people? i mean what one or two things you would like to see to be granted that would help yourself and other deaf people? what kind of fairness would you like to see? if you really stop and think, maybe you'd find you'd have more in common with deaf people than you might realise in the first place, (in regard to political goals which I wrote of in previous 2-3 posts) ? hmmm, relax a bit man, just try and see what common struggles that we all may have...
cheer up
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What do you think I don't have in common with deaf people? I'm deaf. Do I need more than that to have things in common with them?

I'd like to see people judged on merit instead of deafness.
 
VacationGuy234 said:
It has not been my experience that those people would be looked at favorably by people who use a capital D. It's a different experience. I'm surprised you've never encountered it.
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actually - we're surprised that you've encountered it. I think it has to do something with your behavior.
 
hmm, im sure most of us (d/Deaf) do too, but its not gonna be given fairly unless we stand up? agree, not?
 
Jiro said:
actually - we're surprised that you've encountered it. I think it has to do something with your behavior.
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actually Jiro, I'm NOT surprised, and not to lay blame on VG, my hunch is, he is being judged...but like the 'change' isnt gonna happen easily, (but it could), since i feel its more about easing of expectations and be more real about things (in both ways)...sometimes false reputations are caused by misjudgement and it can stick badly...not nice...i know.. from ...experience..
 
Grummer said:
actually Jiro, I'm NOT surprised, and not to lay blame on VG, my hunch is, he is being judged...but like the 'change' isnt gonna happen easily, (but it could), since i feel its more about easing of expectations and be more real about things (in both ways)...sometimes false reputations are caused by misjudgement and it can stick badly...not nice...i know.. from ...experience..
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I understand from your country but here? many ADers are skeptic at his claim. handful of us live in same state as VG and have not encountered it.

the truth? it has to do with one's behavior in social setting. based on what I read from VG's posts - he sees everything half-glass empty. I think his social skill could use a bit of changes.
 
does he? i dont pick that up, I'm more probably more pessimisstic than alot of you, but i try battle it off with wit. (due to own experience esp academic - and it's reallllllly hard, hard like its not a matter of a 9 month course each year, its a life time thing, like i reflect thing write, oftentimes i dont even write (bad habit!), and challenging my own belief based on half of information i get, and half on hunch of the 'real reasons' its HARD..like H-A-R-D....
and to expect vacationguy to shift focus while not IN the academic world like me, or in the cultural world as you, we can't expect a lot of fast changes to happen. I'd say we back off, and let time takes its courcse, like let VG to snk it all in (information and opinions, offered views to guide) then its end of day (not 24 hrs day i mean its figurative like could be months but in his OWN time)...
best leave it for now, not to mention it might not happen because he might not have agreed at all...and we cant change that..(although cold challenge ... but to me even challenge against hearing universities (which is part of my own goal) Scares the bejesus out of me, but I dont mind that little bit of fear believe it or not...
cheers
and vacationguy i dont want you to feel like we're against you, we're not, we just simply challenging a belief whether you might agree with it now or not... that's all...
cheer up
and..come think of it, its healthy (depending on how you take it) to absorb questions that brings insights and more questions...its part of what we do, as humans.
!! :)
 
For me, I was born deaf. I attended summer camp from age 8 to 14, 6 summers straight. The best time of my life, really. The freedom to be yourself, even as a kid. I went to a deaf preschool where I learned sign, English, and speech. Attended public schools as a mainstreamed student (my parent's choice, not mine at all) and subjected to the daily hazing of hearing students. I've attended the Deaf club all my life -- not so much as a kid as it was a place "where the old deafies go" (LOL) back then, but now it's very much a Deaf hangout of all ages. So much fun there -- games (board games, etc.), poker, movies, plays, socials (e.g. pancake breakfasts, etc.) -- there is something there EVERY single weekend without fail. I was married to a Deaf man for 13 years. All my close friends are Deaf. That's only a TINY glimpse of my Deaf life.

Now, VacationGuy wants to tell me I'm "playing the part of a Deaf person" all because I wear my hearing aids? Really? Really? Really? I don't know what book you borrowed from the library, but I suspect it must be one written about 1950. The years where HAs were ostracized and judged upon. Nowadays, who does that? NOBODY. I would never stand at the door of my Deaf club and check each person, and say to one that comes through wearing a hearing aid "uh uh uh uh. You've got a HA? GTFO." No. That doesn't happen.

I don't know from what rock you crawled out under, VG, but you don't get to tell the Deaf people on this forum that they're not Deaf, that they're merely playing a part, and then turn right around and accuse us of making this personal about YOU. No. Get over yourself.
 
AlleyCat said:
For me, I was born deaf. I attended summer camp from age 8 to 14, 6 summers straight. The best time of my life, really. The freedom to be yourself, even as a kid. I went to a deaf preschool where I learned sign, English, and speech. Attended public schools as a mainstreamed student (my parent's choice, not mine at all) and subjected to the daily hazing of hearing students. I've attended the Deaf club all my life -- not so much as a kid as it was a place "where the old deafies go" (LOL) back then, but now it's very much a Deaf hangout of all ages. So much fun there -- games (board games, etc.), poker, movies, plays, socials (e.g. pancake breakfasts, etc.) -- there is something there EVERY single weekend without fail. I was married to a Deaf man for 13 years. All my close friends are Deaf. That's only a TINY glimpse of my Deaf life.

Now, VacationGuy wants to tell me I'm "playing the part of a Deaf person" all because I wear my hearing aids? Really? Really? Really? I don't know what book you borrowed from the library, but I suspect it must be one written about 1950. The years where HAs were ostracized and judged upon. Nowadays, who does that? NOBODY. I would never stand at the door of my Deaf club and check each person, and say to one that comes through wearing a hearing aid "uh uh uh uh. You've got a HA? GTFO." No. That doesn't happen.

I don't know from what rock you crawled out under, but you don't get to tell the Deaf people on this forum that they're not Deaf, that they're merely playing a part, and then turn right around and accuse us of making this personal about YOU. No. Get over yourself.
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AlleyCat, myself and many others consider you Deaf but we know that it doesn't matter because you are secure with your own identity and don't give a rat's ass what other people think. :deaf::cheers::gpost::h5::smash::wiggle::werd::yesway::hug:
 
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