Did Debt Collection Calls Kill This Man?

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Florida Woman Sues Mortgage Company, Says Harassing Phone Calls Killed Husband

Elizabeth Dianne McLeod says her husband Stanley pleaded with mortgage debt collectors, explaining that his heart problems were so serious that a helicopter once had to be called in to airlift him to a hospital.

In response, one collector allegedly mocked him, leaving a message on his answering machine, suggesting: "Why don't you have that helicopter pick you up and bring that payment to the office."

Months later, McLeod, 57, was dead and the mortgage servicing company, his widow alleges, is to blame.

Elizabeth Dianne McLeod, of Keystone, Fla., is suing Green Tree Servicing, LLC, for unspecified damages. She claims the firm repeatedly made harassing debt collection phone calls that, she says, ultimately led to her sick husband's death. (Listen to messages McLeod says were left by Green Tree employees on the couple's answering machine here and here.) Stanley McLeod died of problems related to his heart condition in December, 2005.

Green Tree treated her husband "worse than any human deserves to be" treated, she said Monday through her lawyer.

A spokesman for Green Tree, which is based in St. Paul, Minn., declined to comment on the lawsuit, saying that the company does not comment on pending litigation.

The McLeods fell on hard times in 2002, when a heart attack forced Stanley McLeod to leave his job as an alarm technician at a Sears store and instead rely on government disability benefits.

By 2003, the Keystone, Fla., couple, contending with Stanley McLeod's medical bills and a lower income, began sending some of their mortgage payments in late. Each time they did, Green Tree, their mortgage servicing company, would call to demand payment, said McLeod's lawyer, Billy Howard, of the Florida personal injury law firm Morgan & Morgan.

By 2005, Howard said, the situation had grown considerably worse: According to the law suit, Green Tree was calling on back-to-back days; placed calls to Stanley's McLeod's neighbor, brother and grandson; and once called at least nine times in one day.

McLeod's outstanding debt, Howard said, was just under $700.

"If somebody tells you they don't have the money in the morning, the only reason you call them back the same day is to harass them," Howard said.

Elizabeth Dianne McLeod said her husband experienced chest pains, spikes in blood pressure and heavy breathing after many of the phone calls.

"The unrelenting calls visibly (were) destroying his body," she said.

Debt Collectors Are Consumers' No. 1 Complaint
Originally filed in 2006, Elizabeth Dianne McLeod's lawsuit could be heard by a court this year after earlier efforts by Green Tree to settle the dispute through arbitration proceedings, Howard said.

Abusive practices by debt collectors are a common complaint among consumers, especially as many recession-battered Americans find themselves behind on mortgage, car or credit card payments and other debts.

Earlier this year, the Federal Trade Commission reported to Congress that it receives more than 70,000 complaints about debt collectors each year, more than about any other industry.

The trade group for debt collectors, ACA International, said it takes consumer complaints seriously.

"ACA International and its members do not in any way condone any illegal or unethical behavior or tactics," said spokesman John Nemo, who said that Green Tree is not among ACA's 5,000 members.

"We really feel strongly that every consumer deserves to be treated with dignity and respect," he said.

Generally, debt collectors are subject to federal rules under the Fair Debt Collection Practices Act, enforced by the FTC, which prohibits harassment by debt collectors.

t many mortgage servicing companies -- unlike traditional debt collection agencies -- don't fall under the federal rules, according to Geoff Walsh, a staff attorney with National Consumer Law Center. Some, he said, may be subject to state rules instead. To determine whether a mortgage servicer may have violated a state or federal law, Walsh recommends individuals contact their state attorney general.

Billy Howard, McLeod's lawyer, said Florida state law does ban harassment by companies like Green Tree.

"Our legislature recognizes the need to be protected against banks, creditors, mortgage companies and the like," Howard said.

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As a former employee of Green Tree Financial Services, which was purchased by Conseco Insurance and then renamed Conseco Finance, the company financed "toys" for consumers. Those would be defined as as: Motorcycles, atv's, motor homes, jet skis, musical instruments, boats, horse trailers, manufactured homes, etc. This is a new Green Tree, as Conseco Finance was run into the ground by my boss' boss and a whole slew of others, among them, Irwin Jacobs, who is a corporate raider and cares nothing of others except his pockets.

I worked as a skip trace investigator, which essentially means that I track down our customer and get them to either return to making payments or, if the loan is so much in default, send the file, after finding our collateral, to repossession. I've sent many, many files to repossession and don't feel bad about doing it. We were the lienholder on their loan to obtain the thing purchased, so we had every right to repossess.

One man called in on behalf of his son one time, telling me that I can have my motorcycle back because the son is clinging to life support after wiping out on it. I had sent many personal letters to the son (who owed the bill) to contact me. It's unfortunate that he was fighting for his life, but, to be equally pragmatic, he should have called me so that he wouldn't have to worry about missing anymore payments and continue to enjoy the motorcycle.

Love is love, but business is business and really, I don't give any sympathy to the man who died in this story. The man's diet and lifestyle is to blame, not a collections agent. I have been threatened with a lawsuit four times in my tenure there and no one can tell me that I didn't do my job to get these people back on track making payments.

By the way, in order to find our customer, I would call all of his lenders to "skip" with them, exchange information on their whereabouts. Calling the neighbors to verify the home address is standard procedure and, yes, I have done that, too. All is legal. But, after I found our customer, we only called them, not the neighbors, unless the file came back to skip.
 
Thanks for posting this info. You got bigger balls than I do. If I did this type of work, I would never mention it. Seems like a good fit for you, since you had no remorse. Certainly not my type of career. I respect your honesty.
 
As a former employee of Green Tree Financial Services, which was purchased by Conseco Insurance and then renamed Conseco Finance, the company financed "toys" for consumers. Those would be defined as as: Motorcycles, atv's, motor homes, jet skis, musical instruments, boats, horse trailers, manufactured homes, etc.

I don't consider a first house to be a toy. I see that as getting away from renting which can be high.

By the way, a collector agency called me for a measly $20 which I already had paid for. They send me bills for that until I paid another $20 just to shut them up. A year later the hospital send me $20 for overpayment. The hospital is the one that can't do the math.
 
Debt collection agency need to STFU and stop harassing at people because they have debt, what's debt, debt, debt, debt, debt for? NOTHING!!!!

Also, stop screw up our credit score as well.
 
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