Debate over American POW exchanged for 5 Taliban prisoners

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Reba said:
Just a little info for those who aren't familiar with military pay:

POW's continue to be paid while they're in captivity. That pay includes increases when they get promoted (which they do get promoted while in captivity, in accordance with their time in service). They also get per diem (50%) each month for their "quarters" in captivity. If the POW has dependents, they continue to get their share of the income each month thru the standard allotment. If there are no dependents, the money is held in an account until the POW is released. Then the former POW gets a lump sum payment.
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Army Still May Pursue Desertion Investigation On Bowe Bergdahl

If he's deserter so I don't think he should get paid in lump sum and he shouldn't get promoted.
 
VacationGuy234 said:
Actually, they are. That's what the desertion sideshow is about. If they are not arguing he shouldn't have been traded, what are they arguing? I've only read one article about the improper notification. Everything else, is about whether he deserted and who we traded.
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I haven't seen anyone say that they wished that Bergdahl wasn't released to come home. I've seen only criticism about how our government traded five high-value dangerous terrorists for him, and how the Congress wasn't fully involved in this deal. The other criticisms were about treating him like a hero, and the behavior of his parents at the White House.

Congress knew it was coming:
Obama defends decision to trade 5 Guantanamo detainees for Bergdahl - The Washington Post
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If the President did everything according to the law, then that's it. If he made a poor choice in who he traded, then he has to face the consequences for that, too.
 
Reba said:
It depends on whether or not he is determined to be a deserter.
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I hope we'll find why he left his post , this is cause men in troops to get killed while they where trying to find him. His action put other people life in great danger. There show be some kind of punishment for that in my opinion .
 
Foxrac said:
What are you doing if democratically elected government collapse and drive Afghanistan into civil war again?
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I won't be playing World of Warcraft and running my mother's credit card bills up.
 
Reba said:
That's his opinion, not Bush's. He should let Bush speak for himself.
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It don't make any sense about okay for Bush Admin to release 500 detainees but not okay for Obama Admin to do it.

Seriously, I lost interest in Afghanistan and I want our government to focus on domestic issue, so not interest to looking out for foreign government.

I know why libertarians and constitutionalists are furiously frustrated with our government, even both parties and Bush Admin as well.
 
I don't understand why Bergdahl would think about running away from military and it is extremely shocking and unpatriotic.

I think military needs to tighten up the training requirement and new measurement to prevent soldiers from running away.

If I join the military - no way for me to become a deserter and insult to our country.
 
Foxrac said:
I don't understand why Bergdahl would think about running away from military and it is extremely shocking and unpatriotic.

I think military needs to tighten up the training requirement and new measurement to prevent soldiers from running away.

If I join the military - no way for me to become a deserter and insult to our country.
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I don't know of any training requirements or measurements that would prevent deserting. Deserting is usually an individual, personal issue.

People in the military know the rules, and they know the consequences of AWOL, UA, missed movements, and desertion.
 
Foxrac said:
It don't make any sense about okay for Bush Admin to release 500 detainees but not okay for Obama Admin to do it.
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Early on, the U.S. was capturing a large number of people. The detainees were checked out and the ones who who were "low level" were returned.

The five released were the "high level" or terrorists who are leaders and will again some day create more havoc.
 
Foxrac said:
I don't understand why Bergdahl would think about running away from military and it is extremely shocking and unpatriotic.

I think military needs to tighten up the training requirement and new measurement to prevent soldiers from running away.

If I join the military - no way for me to become a deserter and insult to our country.
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Obviously, if he deserted to the other side he's not sane. If he deserted to leave the war, why do it with just a knife in hostile territory, again not sane. If he deserted at all..

Only he knows the answer..
 
TinCanSailor said:
Early on, the U.S. was capturing a large number of people. The detainees were checked out and the ones who who were "low level" were returned.

The five released were the "high level" or terrorists who are leaders and will again some day create more havoc.
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Yeah it's just a matter of when this will happen and where it will happen. It happen in New York and Boston had a bombing too and that is only a 45 minutes ride from when I live and there is a nuke plant 10 miles from my city.
That been target once and the Coast Guard where station around the plant.
No one is safe from these "high level" terrorists .
 
Foxrac said:
I don't understand why Bergdahl would think about running away from military and it is extremely shocking and unpatriotic.

I think military needs to tighten up the training requirement and new measurement to prevent soldiers from running away.

If I join the military - no way for me to become a deserter and insult to our country.
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When I was in, we had a sailor who was having a hard time adapting to military life. So, occasionally he would disappear for a few days to a week and then return. Of course he would be brought before the Captain, testimony was given from his superiors about how valuable he was. He was convicted with Non-Judicial Punishment for Absent-without-Leave (AWOL). Usually he got a reduction in rate and a small fine (usually suspended) if he kept his nose clean.

Then one day he disappeared and stayed gone for about 6-9 months. He was picked up by the police in another state and returned to us one night on board the ship. I did the paperwork to send him to the brig pending his Court-Martial. The duty Master-at-Arms and I escorted him to the base brig via the base McDonalds since he had not eaten for awhile (we are not totally heartless, I paid for his meal).

Over the next week I did the preliminary paperwork for the CM. About two months later on the naval base, he was convicted of desertion and rate reduced to E-1 and given an administrative discharge under less than honorable conditions. Basically he was given the boot for being a "moron" (my term). He had a fairly easy job but did not want to give it his all. He wasn't trouble to anyone, except that other sailors had to do his work when he would disappear.

In all branches of service there are dozens per year punished and discharged from the service because they feel that they could not or would not conform to military life. Each has their own reasons.
 
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TinCanSailor said:
Early on, the U.S. was capturing a large number of people. The detainees were checked out and the ones who who were "low level" were returned.

The five released were the "high level" or terrorists who are leaders and will again some day create more havoc.
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Is it was tough negotiation? Who started to have an idea about pick high level detainees? For Obama? I don't think he has experience - he is one of most inexperienced president and he depends on advisers to help with decision.

What is best solution to rescue Bergdahl without trade Gitmo detainees?

I heard about Gitmo detainees rejoined Taliban and Al Qaeda after we returned them to home countries.
 
TinCanSailor said:
When I was in, we had a sailor who was having a hard time adapting to military life. So, occasionally he would disappear for a few days to a week and then return. Of course he would be brought before the Captain, testimony was given from his superiors about how valuable he was. He was convicted with Non-Judicial Punishment for Absent-without-Leave (AWOL). Usually he got a reduction in rate and a small fine (usually suspended) if he kept his nose clean.

Then one day he disappeared and stayed gone for about 6-9 months. He was picked up by the police in another state and returned to us one night on board the ship. I did the paperwork to send him to the brig pending his Court-Martial. The duty Master-at-Arms and I escorted him to the base brig via the base McDonalds since he had not eaten for awhile (we are not totally heartless, I paid for his meal).

Over the next week I did the preliminary paperwork for the CM. About two months later on the naval base, he was convicted of desertion and rate reduced to E-1 and given an administrative discharge under less than honorable conditions. Basically he was given the boot for being a "moron" (my term). He had a fairly easy job but did not want to give it his all. He wasn't trouble to anyone, except that other sailors had to do his work when he would disappear.

In all branches of service there are dozens per year punished and discharged from the service because they feel that they could not or would not conform to military life. Each has their own reasons.
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Was this sailor voluntarily joined or drafted to Navy? I remember about draft during Vietnam War era and my father voluntarily joined Marines after received GED in 1972.

If new soldier recently join in the military and realize about not satisfied with military life after 1 month of service then they can quit or can't quit? I'm not sure about minimum years that required to serve in the military.
 
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