Deafhood

[Hohtopics]

"Alright, perhaps I was a little harsh in my assessment of that post and apologize to you DeafCaroline! "

Thank you HOHtopics! I appreciate that.

No sweat DeafCaroline!

 

[Banjo]

Naw, he just has too many people on ignore!

It's a valid question though, it's just like having a Caucasian speaking up on the behalf of the African-American community. He has a tendency to speak up for minorities he's not a part of, but he only do that to his advantage. It's his way of exposing the minorities for his personal gains.

By the way, anyone is free to post on a different forum about how they'll like to give me a knuckle sandwich.

 

[StSapphire]

Are you saying you're a hearing, hh or Deaf person? (noticing you only said "d"eaf).

Regardless, heck, anyone can join. I think.....

Me? As far as I know, I'm fully hearing. (Or at least, I have no diagnosed hearing loss - I may see if I can get an audiogram at my next yearly checkup, since I've noticed more and more lately that I have difficulty understanding people in noisy environments, such as in restaurants or outdoor public places.)

I didn't really have any point to make with that, though.

 

[DeafCaroline]

"By the way, anyone is free to post on a different forum about how they'll like to give me a knuckle sandwich. "

What different forum?

 

[DeafCaroline]

"By the way, anyone is free to post on a different forum about how they'll like to give me a knuckle sandwich. "

What different forum?

 

[Jiro]

"By the way, anyone is free to post on a different forum about how they'll like to give me a knuckle sandwich. "

What different forum?

any forum

 

[Banjo]

"By the way, anyone is free to post on a different forum about how they'll like to give me a knuckle sandwich. "

What different forum?

Well, look like I opened a can of worms. Someone here has a history of going to a particular forum to complain about the poor treatment and to make rather colourful statements about what they'll like to do to some people here.

 

[AJWSmith]

Deafhood applies to D E A F people. just deaf people, as in people who can't hear. Period. Not people with mild hearing loss because by definition, they are NOT deaf.

DeafCaroline This is my query. It seems that Deafhood is in fact only for people who embrace the Deaf culture, and not for deaf people who can't hear.

 

[Jiro]

Deafhood applies to D E A F people. just deaf people, as in people who can't hear. Period. Not people with mild hearing loss because by definition, they are NOT deaf.

And by the way, I've always tried to speak to you with respect and courtesy and I never insulted you personally - instead, tried to stick to the debate itself

Why are you being so rude to me - "are you blind?" If you are going to be speaking to me like that on a regular basis, then I'm disengaging from any further dialogue with you. I love a good healthy and even passionate debate but personal insults, not so much.

well - regardless of their range of hearing loss, they may identify themselves as deaf people if they want to. it's up to them to call themselves however they want - HOH, Deaf, deaf, etc. It's of no difference to me because all share 1 or 2 similarities - a hearing loss and the discrimination/frustration behind hearing loss.

but don't worry. I know that you're new to this whole deaf thing. As you immerse yourself more and more into it, your view and interpretation will change over time... for better or worse

 

[dogmom]

so Deafhood and deafhood could be considered two different things on one hand?

 

[DeafCaroline]

"well - regardless of their range of hearing loss, they may identify themselves as deaf people if they want to. it's up to them to call themselves however they want - HOH, Deaf, deaf, etc. It's of no difference to me because all share 1 and/or 2 similarities - a hearing loss and the discrimination/frustration behind hearing loss.

but don't worry. I know that you're new to this whole deaf thing. As you immerse yourself more and more into it, your view and interpretation will change over time... for better or worse "

completely agree with you in that no matter what degree of hearing loss we have, we share the same problems, more or less. That is the one thing we can't disagree on! Phew!

And yeah, have a feeling my foray into the Deaf World is going to be an ever changing evolution of thoughts, ideas and feelings Hopefully for the better!

 

[jillio]

And to throw you a little bit of a curveball jillio. And there are those that may also feel a little good about their "d"eaf identity. And that's when the "A" word usually gets thrown at them.

In another word it's only okay for the Deaf to feel good about their identity. But if the deaf do the same, they're just being audists, right?

Nope. The "a" word only gets used in the evidence of an audist statement and/or mindset.

How is "d"eaf an identity. You are going to have to elaborate on that one.

 

[jillio]

"well - regardless of their range of hearing loss, they may identify themselves as deaf people if they want to. it's up to them to call themselves however they want - HOH, Deaf, deaf, etc. It's of no difference to me because all share 1 and/or 2 similarities - a hearing loss and the discrimination/frustration behind hearing loss.

but don't worry. I know that you're new to this whole deaf thing. As you immerse yourself more and more into it, your view and interpretation will change over time... for better or worse "

completely agree with you in that no matter what degree of hearing loss we have, we share the same problems, more or less. That is the one thing we can't disagree on! Phew!

And yeah, have a feeling my foray into the Deaf World is going to be an ever changing evolution of thoughts, ideas and feelings Hopefully for the better!

I think some are having a bit of trouble in understanding the difference between "identifying" and "identity".

 

[Jiro]

"well - regardless of their range of hearing loss, they may identify themselves as deaf people if they want to. it's up to them to call themselves however they want - HOH, Deaf, deaf, etc. It's of no difference to me because all share 1 and/or 2 similarities - a hearing loss and the discrimination/frustration behind hearing loss.

but don't worry. I know that you're new to this whole deaf thing. As you immerse yourself more and more into it, your view and interpretation will change over time... for better or worse "

completely agree with you in that no matter what degree of hearing loss we have, we share the same problems, more or less. That is the one thing we can't disagree on! Phew!

And yeah, have a feeling my foray into the Deaf World is going to be an ever changing evolution of thoughts, ideas and feelings Hopefully for the better!

click on "QUOTE" button next time when you reply to someone's post

 

[jillio]

so Deafhood and deafhood could be considered two different things on one hand?

I don't think there is such a sociological concept as "deafhood". Those that identify as deaf generally affiliate with the hearing community by and large, and the see their deafness as something extrinsic rather than an intrinsic part of their identity that shapes their values and their existence. That is a huge difference: Deafness comes from within; deafness comes from without.

 

[DeafCaroline]

click on "QUOTE" button next time when you reply to someone's post

ok

Just one more note: this is to everyone really: If I disagree with something that you said, even if passionately, that does not mean I don't like you personally. It just means I don't agree with a viewpoint you made. The reason I refrain from name-calling and put-downs is because I've dealt with that far too much in my life and it's horrible. And I always keep in mind that most of us here are going through the same struggles as me in the hearing world and there is no way I am going to speak to them in the same patronizing or diminutive tone that the hearing world tends to do with me. I have far too much respect for all of you and all that you contend with in your personal lives to do that.

 

[Jiro]

ok

Just one more note: this is to everyone really: If I disagree with something that you said, even if passionately, that does not mean I don't like you personally. It just means I don't agree with a viewpoint you made. The reason I refrain from name-calling and put-downs is because I've dealt with that far too much in my life and it's horrible. And I always keep in mind that most of us here are going through the same struggles as me in the hearing world and there is no way I am going to speak to them in the same patronizing or diminutive tone that the hearing world tends to do with me. I have far too much respect for all of you and all that you contend with in your personal lives to do that.

that's fine with me because we can agree to disagree. unfortunately, some people can't and they get combative and obsessively repetitive about it. oh well.

 

[kokonut]

koko,

i did not mean to say that but i want to say, "get real" you ve been there at gallaudet for three years. you knew exactly what you are doing here on AD. I suppose you had some issues during your gally years, but please do not bring the "old" issues from your own experiences from gally to here this AD. Deafhood is about each of us, not because of your experiences during your gally years. Just let the " rejection issues go" sometimes during college life and outsideof college life can be different. I know you know how or what deafhood is all about. You ve been associate with pure asl users many times. No offensive here.

Funny how people like to psychoanalyze those who don't know better themselves on trying to figure out a person's life. I don't do that to people in here but it's ok for you to do that? Interesting.

I'm not sure what you meant by "old" issues from my time at Gallaudet. I don't have "old" issues. My views have been the consistent during and after Gallaudet. Met a lot of great people there. Met my future deaf wife there. Met a lot friends there just as I have done the same thing at Univ. of Idaho during my graduate days and afterwards. I wouldn't change a thing in what I do and have done. My wife uses pure ASL and switches over to PSE/SE and have taught ASL classses, too! I use SE/PSE. But she talk and listen,too. I have always preferred to talk and listen. But while I'm with my deaf/hh friends, I sign. What else? And yet you never met me! You do this armchair analysis. My advice? Don't do that. Makes you look a bigger fool thinking you know the bigger picture. No wonder how people depend so much on words written here and elsewhere to think they have a complete picture. Reserve that judgement until you actually meet people offline. I remind myself that everyday that people on the internet are certainly different when you get to meet them in person. And I try not to take people responses here personally, including yours, because you do not know what you are saying but are simply grasping at air.

As for "rejection issues," how is that so? I have Deaf, deaf, hh, and hearing friends ranging from those who sign in SEE, ASL, SE and those who prefer to speak and listen to my hearing friends. Many from Gallaudet and outside. My friends know who I am and accept me rather because they know me and know who I am. Those who have met me ended being suprised because they had a long held misconception about me. Please take a clue here. That has been a common refrain from some Deaf people who are unable to agree to disagree with my opinions but must go the route of "rejection issues" shows desperation or misunderstanding.

As for "Deafhood," I have my opinions. I explained my reasons. Please don't use the armchair psychoanalysis approach as an alternative excuse to avoid saying "agree to disagree." Otherwise, it'd simply be wimping out.

No offense.

 

[kokonut]

Me? As far as I know, I'm fully hearing. (Or at least, I have no diagnosed hearing loss - I may see if I can get an audiogram at my next yearly checkup, since I've noticed more and more lately that I have difficulty understanding people in noisy environments, such as in restaurants or outdoor public places.)

I didn't really have any point to make with that, though.

If you have a dB loss at 26, then welcome! Otherwise, cherish what you have. We're only temporarily abled in life.

 

[Jiro]

Funny how people like to psychoanalyze those who don't know better themselves on trying to figure out a person's life. I don't do that to people in here but it's ok for you to do that? Interesting.

I'm not sure what you meant by "old" issues from my time at Gallaudet. I don't have "old" issues. My views have been the consistent during and after Gallaudet. Met a lot of great people there. Met my future deaf wife there. Met a lot friends there just as I have done the same thing at Univ. of Idaho during my graduate days and afterwards. I wouldn't change a thing in what I do and have done. My wife uses pure ASL and switches over to PSE/SE and have taught ASL classses, too! I use SE/PSE. But she talk and listen,too. I have always preferred to talk and listen. But while I'm with my deaf/hh friends, I sign. What else? And yet you never met me! You do this armchair analysis. My advice? Don't do that. Makes you look a bigger fool thinking you know the bigger picture. No wonder how people depend so much on words written here and elsewhere to think they have a complete picture. Reserve that judgement until you actually meet people offline. I remind myself that everyday that people on the internet are certainly different when you get to meet them in person. And I try not to take people responses here personally, including yours, because you do not know what you are saying but are simply grasping at air.

As for "rejection issues," how is that so? I have Deaf, deaf, hh, and hearing friends ranging from those who sign in SEE, ASL, SE and those who prefer to speak and listen to my hearing friends. Many from Gallaudet and outside. My friends know who I am and accept me rather because they know me and know who I am. Those who have met me ended being suprised because they had a long held misconception about me. Please take a clue here. That has been a common refrain from some Deaf people who are unable to agree to disagree with my opinions but must go the route of "rejection issues" shows desperation or misunderstanding.

As for "Deafhood," I have my opinions. I explained my reasons. Please don't use the armchair psychoanalysis approach as an alternative excuse to avoid saying "agree to disagree." Otherwise, it'd simply be wimping out.

No offense.

you talk too much. when a person talks too much, it confirms their analysis.