faire_jour
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I have already stated different ideas in many other threads. Apparently, you havent read them. Oh well.
And you won't share them here? Why not?
I have already stated different ideas in many other threads. Apparently, you havent read them. Oh well.
And you won't share them here? Why not?
That is blantly untrue..
Why do I have to become a broken record and repeat myself knowing that nobody would listen to me anyway? That was the feeling I got so I stopped. Why bother?
Ok..many prfoundly deaf people were able to develop fluency in English in the spoken form without CIs....how was that possible if they couldn't hear the language being spoken around them?If there is no one to talk to and nothing to listen to, why would you use it? If suddenly I was on a desert island with no ASL users, my ASL would goto the wayside, because I don't have any reason to use it or anyone to use it with. Why would a CI user be different?
Ok..many prfoundly deaf people were able to develop fluency in English in the spoken form without CIs....how was that possible if they couldn't hear the language being spoken around them?
The answer..speech classes and reading English. Same thing for deaf children who grew up going to deaf schools. Some have excellent spoken English skills while others don't.
So with CI, HA, or none, some deaf children achieve spoken English fluency while others don't.
I can't believe I am going off topic again/
my apologies..I will stop. Slap me if I go off topic again!
FJ, as for ideas, I will PM u as I don't want to continue to derail this thread. Now, iam going to do errands.
It is also one of my major pet peeves these days.
Hearing educators testing Deaf teacher's English comprehension skills when those hearing educators should be tested on their ASL skills & Deaf Culture knowledge.
For a hearing person to test a Deaf person, IMHO, is wrong on so many levels. We should turn the tables on the hearing educators and test them on their ASL linguistics, Deaf Culture knowledge and their skills with communicating with Deaf people. This would also be so wrong on many levels but it would make people realise the sensitivity of the situation.
It is also one of my major pet peeves these days.
Hearing educators testing Deaf teacher's English comprehension skills when those hearing educators should be tested on their ASL skills & Deaf Culture knowledge.
For a hearing person to test a Deaf person, IMHO, is wrong on so many levels. We should turn the tables on the hearing educators and test them on their ASL linguistics, Deaf Culture knowledge and their skills with communicating with Deaf people. This would also be so wrong on many levels but it would make people realise the sensitivity of the situation.
I "got it"--I just don't agree. Religion and belief in Creationism have nothing to do with whether or not one is an oralist.
Let's not forget it was "religious" men who established the schools for the deaf in America, using ASL as their primary means of communication and education. It's when the secular and political "experts" got involved in deaf education that the oralists gained power.
It was the very "scientific" AGB who promoted oralism.
I agree with that. I also agree with flips posts on oralism but on this subject I disagree. I see that most pro CI/oral are also pro science/evilution etc...
Look at Graham Bell. He was an inventor, he was very pro darwin thery and breeding people like cattle. You wouldn't get a religious person doing that.
There is one Deaf guy I know who is a GREAT teacher but English is his 4th language after Quebec sign language, French, ASL! To me, I think he has a LOT more to offer to the Deaf students than someone who is monolingual.
His English isnt perfect BUT he has taught students and has brought their English levels up so many grade levels that he recieved an award. He is someone I would look up than some hearing teacher who can pass the test but cant teach!
It would be a shame if he got let go because of some test that doesnt really measure his true skills as a teacher. :roll:
Look at Graham Bell. He was an inventor, he was very pro darwin thery and breeding people like cattle. You wouldn't get a religious person doing that.
It is also one of my major pet peeves these days.
Hearing educators testing Deaf teacher's English comprehension skills when those hearing educators should be tested on their ASL skills & Deaf Culture knowledge.
For a hearing person to test a Deaf person, IMHO, is wrong on so many levels. We should turn the tables on the hearing educators and test them on their ASL linguistics, Deaf Culture knowledge and their skills with communicating with Deaf people. This would also be so wrong on many levels but it would make people realise the sensitivity of the situation.
How does one develop good language? You must be around fluent users, and have the opportunity to use it and see it modeled all day long. You need to have mistakes corrected naturally and go through the developmentally appropriate stages of language. Right?? How does that happen for spoken language in a bi-bi school? It doesn't. Speech is worked on for very short periods of time with varing degrees of success. Language is a whole different game. You need exposure and use to become fluent in ANY language, and that includes spoken English.
I agree with that. I also agree with flips posts on oralism but on this subject I disagree. I see that most pro CI/oral are also pro science/evilution etc...
Look at Graham Bell. He was an inventor, he was very pro darwin thery and breeding people like cattle. You wouldn't get a religious person doing that.