Deaf student proved doctors wrong; she's headed to Yale

yeah, I am glad that girl went to Yale.
 
Levonian said:
I wouldn’t worry too much about ravensteve and firearms. He strikes me as being the kind of guy who would accidentally shoot himself while cleaning his own gun. :|
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Can you ever be nice without smartass remarks? :|
Wheres the old levonian before i was banned? He never talked down like this. :dunno:
 
You’re right Steve—I apologize. Ever since you’ve been back all my responses to your posts have been sarcastic ones. It’s just hard to not want to shoot back when we’re trying to have a serious discussion about why some deaf people go to Harvard and others live in trailer parks and collect welfare and you come along with "SUE THE DOCTOR!" "SUE THE DOCTOR!" But I will try to exercise more discipline in the future.
 
I have to admit....it IS amazing that a little girl could go from only going "he he" and boo to Ivy League stuff......Still....I wonder how much of it is methodology vs the high acheiving mentality. How many kids from her oral class acheived the same? Would be interesting to do a survey or whatever.....
 
deafdyke said:
I have to admit....it IS amazing that a little girl could go from only going "he he" and boo to Ivy League stuff......Still....I wonder how much of it is methodology vs the high acheiving mentality. How many kids from her oral class acheived the same? Would be interesting to do a survey or whatever.....
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thats a very good question.
I was also in an oral program (but not AG Bell) where everybody in my class was HH by hearing aids or a CI.
Cami (not the same girl in that article) who was in my class and got implanted at about the age of 12 or 13...she is now in BYU with a 4.0 GPA and is getting free tuition.
two girls by the name of Natalie, both are attending UNLV for free under a scholorship.
I have a simliar success as both natalies.
BUT
there is three people who were also in my oral program that have had little to no success. i'd say the class was split 66% successful and 33% not successful.
in 1st grade we all had hearing aides.
By 2nd grade I was the first with a CI in the state
in 3rd grade half of us had a CI
and now everyone of us has a CI.

the success is based on therapy. the ones who are not doing so well are those who refused to go to therapy or complained about it all the time. In other words...they had their hopes too high when it was turned on, thinking they could hear ASAP and thought it was an easy process.
 
the ones who are not doing so well are those who refused to go to therapy or complained about it all the time. In other words...they had their hopes too high when it was turned on,
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I do think that may play a part, but sucess is just so mixed, that it's hard to say WHY someone acheived sucess and why another person did not acheive sucess.
 
I wonder if motivation, attitude, and perseverance were factors.

I was the only hoh person in any of my schools so I can't really comment on the success or lack thereof when it comes to other oralized folks.
 
deafdyke said:
I do think that may play a part, but sucess is just so mixed, that it's hard to say WHY someone acheived sucess and why another person did not acheive sucess.
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true, it also gives you the idea that those who didnt try hard to succeed and do better with the cochlear implant, probably didnt try hard to succeed and do better in life.
 
Cjanik said:
true, it also gives you the idea that those who didnt try hard to succeed and do better with the cochlear implant, probably didnt try hard to succeed and do better in life.
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I agree wholeheartedly.

14 years of speech therapy SUCKED. I hated it as much as the next person, but I knew it would pay off for me in the end, so I bit the bullet and kept at it. God, I hated it.

However it has paid off ... tremendously.
 
but not AG Bell
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But probaly AG Bell affliated... AG Bell is the oral deaf organization not a school or a program) ..and no that's not what I meant...I think that sucess with CIs depends on a lot of stuff....like how much residual hearing they had with hearing aids, age of onset of loss (it's been well documented and AG Bell even admits that the sucessful users of CIs are those who once heard normally), and even things like quality of health care. Like one deaf kid's insurance might allow for them to go see a really good auditory-verbal therapist, whereas another might not do as well b/c they can only afford to see a public early intervention specialist.
Oh, and I agree....the payback of learning to speak is definitly worth it. It gives deaf kids some access to the hearing world, as well as another useful skill!
 
Cjanik said:
there is three people who were also in my oral program that have had little to no success. i'd say the class was split 66% successful and 33% not successful.

the success with (CI) is based on therapy. the ones who are not doing so well are those who refused to go to therapy or complained about it all the time. In other words...they had their hopes too high when it was turned on, thinking they could hear ASAP and thought it was an easy process.
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Interesting.
Let's see how far Campbell "Cami" Elizabeth Garland will survive her college years. She will have a few numerous college friends. She better not browse professors' rears for making excuse to make up exams or to ask extension assisgnment period. Also let see if she can afford expensive Yale tuition fee to complete four or six years at Yale University. I bet she can afford $2,290 per credit ($6,870 for three credits or $68,700 for two full-time semesters, or
$343,500 to complete five years). :rl:

Hmm, interesting. Methinks, that she may not complete her degree at Yale Univerisity but she can success at another affordable college. Let see if AGB organization may work hard to support Cami's goal and possibly heavy donate on her behalf. Moreover, I am not support this idea. Do you? Yeah, damn to whole oralists and their devilish methods. Thanks to Thomas Gallaudet and Laurent Clerc. The great special thank on the behalf of deaf ASLers is to Dr. Cogswell as of deaf Alica's father for donating the trip fund.

If she will have a problem with professors' heavy accents, would she able to understand them? She may need to upgrade her CI to 500 channels. The interesting question is that will she need a CART or Cued-Speech interpreters?

Well, I simply wish Cami a good luck...
 
ravensteve1961 said:
He should have sued the doctor. Just like the couple sued the doctor and the jury awarded him 6 million dollars when he said her spouce had 6 months to live. And he still living. He spent all his life savings to go to europe cause thats what he wanted to see before he died. Now hes wealthy because the doctor told him hes got 6 months to live.
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What is there to sue for?
 
She will have a few numerous college friends. Also let see if she can afford expensive Yale tuition fee to complete four or six years at Yale University. I bet she can afford $2,290 per credit ($6,870 for three credits or $68,700 for two full-time semesters, or
$343,500 to complete five years).
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EXCELLENT POINTS!!!!!! Even a lot of the oral high acheivers have loads of social issues. And I mean, she's GOT to have a wealthy family! How can her family afford to send her to Yale after high health care costs? Yeah, the CI is generally covered by insurance, but lots of the associated costs, like therapy, batteries, Mappings, etc....and I mean it sounds like her family was one of the gypsy migrant types who can actually afford to move near the good oral schools!
If she will have a problem with professors' heavy accents, would she able to understand them? She may need to upgrade her CI to 500 channels. The interesting question is that will she need a CART or Cued-Speech interpreters?
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Yes, good point! A lot of the professors will have impossible to understand accents....and not just one or two... I love, love how pro-oral folks yap on and on about how oralism provides "freedom" and GUESS WHAT? They won't have to depend...on OH THE HORRORS....an interpreter! How is depending on an oral interpreter or a CS 'terp any different from using a Sign 'terp?
 
Pvt. Parts said:
I agree wholeheartedly.

14 years of speech therapy SUCKED. I hated it as much as the next person, but I knew it would pay off for me in the end, so I bit the bullet and kept at it. God, I hated it.

However it has paid off ... tremendously.
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I am sure that you can perfectly speak in cussing. Trust me.
Nobody taught me how to speak, and I do not speak very well.
However, I fluent in cussing. :wtf: :asshole:
 
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