Deaf man Can't Sign

jillio said:
I did not say deafness wasn't special. I said that your deafness does not qualify you for special treatment. You are being rude and combative. Deafness is no excuse for that. If you are going to quote me, at least get the meaning correct.
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jasin said:
:roll: same dam difference.
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jillio said:
Actually, its not. Perhaps your failure to understand that is one of the reasons you become far too defensive and comabtive with people.
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I have to agree with Jillio on this. Being told you are not special because you are deaf is NOT the same thing at all as being told that deafness does not qualify you for special treatment. There IS a difference.

I'm deaf and never have I felt that I qualify for special treatment, nor have I expected people to go out of their way to treat me extra nice or special.
 
I don't like to criticize my parents, but my biggest challenge was to get away from the image of a special child. I just wanted to be normal and have an average life.

I succeeded at it, but there really was a fight to get them to let go and let me live.

Why anyone would want special treatment of to be considered as special just because deaf is beyond me.

I hated that viewpoint.
 
AlleyCat said:
I have to agree with Jillio on this. Being told you are not special because you are deaf is NOT the same thing at all as being told that deafness does not qualify you for special treatment. There IS a difference.

I'm deaf and never have I felt that I qualify for special treatment, nor have I expected people to go out of their way to treat me extra nice or special.
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That's fine, but I dont see our rights under the law as being special treatment nor would I ever call them such. Only a hearie would think such a thing, but that dont surprise me. We've been labeled worse through the decades.
 
Bottesini said:
I don't like to criticize my parents, but my biggest challenge was to get away from the image of a special child. I just wanted to be normal and have an average life.

I succeeded at it, but there really was a fight to get them to let go and let me live.

Why anyone would want special treatment of to be considered as special just because deaf is beyond me.

I hated that viewpoint.
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What's special is our culture and our language. There is no other like it in the world.
 
jasin said:
:wtflol: Then what would you know about the deaf? As the old saying goes, walk a mile in my shoes.
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You're absolutely correct, no hearing person knows what it is like to be deaf, unless they experienced it themselves. Having knowledge and having had this experience is not the same, so I agree with you. :)
 
AlleyCat said:
I have to agree with Jillio on this. Being told you are not special because you are deaf is NOT the same thing at all as being told that deafness does not qualify you for special treatment. There IS a difference.

I'm deaf and never have I felt that I qualify for special treatment, nor have I expected people to go out of their way to treat me extra nice or special.
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Thank you, Alleycat. You understand exactly what I meant.:aw:
 
Bottesini said:
I don't like to criticize my parents, but my biggest challenge was to get away from the image of a special child. I just wanted to be normal and have an average life.

I succeeded at it, but there really was a fight to get them to let go and let me live.

Why anyone would want special treatment of to be considered as special just because deaf is beyond me.

I hated that viewpoint.
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Exactly. It creates attitudes that in the end, are very self defeating. It provides a ready made excuse for innappropriate behavior and attitude. Deaf people are perfectly capable of living as conscientious, well mannered, productive citizens. Why give them an excuse not to? Even though some posters fail to recognize it, to be told that you are expected to live up to your innate potential, and that your deafness is not an excuse for not doing that, actually empowers the deaf individual.
 
jasin said:
That's fine, but I dont see our rights under the law as being special treatment nor would I ever call them such. Only a hearie would think such a thing, but that dont surprise me. We've been labeled worse through the decades.
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We weren't discussing civil rights under the ADA. We were discussing rude behavior and combative attitudes. Being deaf does not besow on you the right to be rude, combative, and judgemental.

Your comment that is bolded is evidence that the problem lies with you. You want to blame me, as a hearie, for having discriminatory attitudes toward the deaf when nothing is further from the truth. You have no idea what you are talking about.

The problem is that you are looking at the surface and missing the undlerlying meaning. But that is typical of your age and inexperience.
 
jasin said:
What's special is our culture and our language. There is no other like it in the world.
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Again, you are showing the limits of your knowledge base. There are Deaf cultures and sign language specific to that culture world wide, and even in some of the most remote areas of the world.
 
Cheri said:
You're absolutely correct, no hearing person knows what it is like to be deaf, unless they experienced it themselves. Having knowledge and having had this experience is not the same, so I agree with you. :)
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Who said they did?

But it is entirely possible for a hearing person to be more fluent in the language and to possess more knowledge and experience of Deaf culture that a deaf person who has just begun to learn.

http://www.alldeaf.com/sign-language-oralism/54346-whats-sign-receptive.html Right here is evidence of what I am saying. It took a hearing person to explain this sign to a deaf person who claims to be fluent in ASL, and also to know all there is to know about Deaf culture.

The point being, the generalizations being made about the character of deaf people and the character and skills of hearing people needs to stop, as they are extremely innacurrate. Especially when the poster first blames the problems on someone being deaf, and then when they find out the poster is not deaf, completely switches positions and says, "Oh, then its because you're a hearie!" It's starting to get innane.
 
jillio said:
Who said they did?
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They do like to think they do, but they do not. Even when hearing parents get information and source from other hearing people about deaf education, deaf culture, deaf language like they think all deaf people have the same common ground, when we are much different from each others. We have our own way of being taught, because of that each deaf person is different from another deaf person. It's the saying "You have no idea, unless you are me."

But it is entirely possible for a hearing person to be more fluent in the language and to possess more knowledge and experience of Deaf culture that a deaf person who has just begun to learn.
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It doesn't matter--some deaf people didn't have that opportunity, because they had no access -- or even know the deaf culture and there are deaf children who do not know other deaf children., who's fault is that? it lies in the fault of their hearing parents. Deaf people can and will find ways to resolve their differences, come together and learn about their culture that they missed out on.
 
Cheri said:
They do like to think they do, but they do not. Even when hearing parents get information and source from other hearing people about deaf education, deaf culture, deaf language like they think all deaf people have the same common ground, when we are much different from each others. We have our own way of being taught, because of that each deaf person is different from another deaf person. It's the saying "You have no idea, unless you are me."


It doesn't matter--some deaf people didn't have that opportunity, because they had no access -- or even know the deaf culture and there are deaf children who do not know other deaf children., who's fault is that? it lies in the fault of their hearing parents. Deaf people can and will find ways to resolve their differences, come together and learn about their culture that they missed out on.
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Exactly. And if they didn't have that opportunity and are trying to take that opportunity now, then great for them. But, that doesn't give them the right to discount the knowledge and experience of anyone based on their hearing status. It is practicing audism in reverse. Especially when the majority of their posts complain about the rudeness of deaf people.
 
jillio said:
Exactly. And if they didn't have that opportunity and are trying to take that opportunity now, then great for them. But, that doesn't give them the right to discount the knowledge and experience of anyone based on their hearing status. It is practicing audism in reverse. Especially when the majority of their posts complain about the rudeness of deaf people.
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I can understand where jasin is coming from, Unfortunately; from my understanding there are many deaf people who come off as being rude, it is because they had a frustrated /hard life, felt limited that makes them to stand out, they want their primary language to be recognized to the public. That's why I find that the deaf community get into an argumentative lot, look at the CI/Oral/ASL/TC/SEE debate. :giggle:
 
Cheri said:
I can understand where jasin is coming from, Unfortunately; from my understanding there are many deaf people who come off as being rude, it is because they had a frustrated /hard life, felt limited that makes them to stand out, they want their primary language to be recognized to the public. That's why I find that the deaf community get into an argumentative lot, look at the CI/Oral/ASL/TC/SEE debate. :giggle:
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That happens everywhere, not just the deaf community. And it is individuals who are rude, not the entire group. To make such blanket statements regarding the group is just not acceptable, and those blanket statements are being made regarding both deaf and hearing.
 
Tousi said:
Not to sound flip and short but total immersion's probably the best way, I think. So hang on; others will chime in.
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Yep, that's the best way. Good luck in learning ASL. :)
 
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