Deaf / HOH please: In what language(s) are you fluent?

[posts from hell]

To access sound, by which to understand spoken language.

Alright.

 

[kokonut]

To access sound, by which to understand spoken language.

Obviously.

 

[Grummer]

<<< electing not to answer this.

me too, its a shit thread

extremely audist

 

[Speedy Hawk]

I picked BSL.

My English isn't too good depending what I use it for. If I use in forums like here, Facebook, Twitter and mobile it is okay.

But if it is like English I have to use at work, more professional English, or my college/uni assignment English I can't do it well at all. I have to sign to my terp what I want to say and my terp type up in better English for me.

 

[TheOracle]

I picked BSL.

My English isn't too good depending what I use it for. If I use in forums like here, Facebook, Twitter and mobile it is okay.

But if it is like English I have to use at work, more professional English, or my college/uni assignment English I can't do it well at all. I have to sign to my terp what I want to say and my terp type up in better English for me.

That's a matter of Academic v. Standard English. Your English is Standard. edit: British Standard, maybe? Where are you from?

But trust me, there are millions of people who grow up in the U.S. with perfect hearing that can't type a term paper, either.

I know this, cause I wrote many term papers for others for extra cash. I went to a prep school, so I guess I got lucky...

 

[coolgirlspyer90]

I can sign fluent in spoken English and ASL. I was taught spoken english first from my very first interpreter when i was learning how to sign at the time. Then i was taught ASL when i got into a deaf school where i met a few close friends that i still keep in touch.

I would L.O.V.E to learn more sign language in a different language. More especially around Spanish and french, but with my busy schedule, theres no way i would be able to learn more sign language in a different kind of language.

 

[jillio]

Fluency has to do with "flowing forth" as something coming out. Something that's fluid.
"Fluency (also called volubility and loquaciousness) is the property of a person or of a system that delivers information quickly and with expertise."

I speak the English language effortlessly. I can and hear and understand the English langauge completely as long as there are no other outside or background noise that may obscure it (e.g. listening on the phone versus listening in a noisy area).

Loquaciousness is not a criterion for defining fluent use of a language. BTW...I am not deaf or hoh, but I am fluent in both English and ASL. Although I consider a thread such as this to border on audist.

 

[jillio]

No, actually, if you take a look at the other thread, you'll see that it was Posts From Hell and Shel90 who asked me to find them d/Deaf/HOH who considered themselves fluent. I have no need of studying or testing anyone -- I'm very certain that d/Deaf / HOH can feel fluent in many languages and modes.

No, actually they asked you to find a deaf/Deaf/hoh person that felt that they could use spoken English without effort. Very different from being fluent.

 

[Smithtr]

GrendelQ - i never said anything of the sort. You are asking people if they consider themselves fluent in a LANGUAGE.

I am saying language fluency means: ability to read, write, speak AND understand it when it's spoken. I didn't say one is contingent on the other.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fluency#cite_note-1 [edit] Language fluency

Further information: Language proficiency
Language fluency is used informally to denote broadly a high level of language proficiency, most typically foreign language or another learned language, and more narrowly to denote fluid language use, as opposed to slow, halting use. In this narrow sense, fluency is necessary but not sufficient for language proficiency: fluent language users (particularly uneducated native speakers) may have narrow vocabularies, limited discourse strategies, and inaccurate word use. They may be illiterate, as well. Native language speakers are often incorrectly referred to as fluent.
Fluency in English is basically ones ability to be understood by both native and non native listeners. A higher level would be bilingual, which indicates one is native in two languages, either having learned them simultaneously or one after the other. In Murcia, Spain, for example the local government distinguishes the two.[citation needed]
In the sense of proficiency, "fluency" encompasses a number of related but separable skills:

• Reading: the ability to easily read and understand texts written in the language;[3]
• Writing: the ability to formulate written texts in the language;
• Comprehension: the ability to follow and understand speech in the language;
• Speaking: the ability to produce speech in the language and be understood by its speakers.

thank interesting I am lots of research information!

 

[Speedy Hawk]

That's a matter of Academic v. Standard English. Your English is Standard. edit: British Standard, maybe? Where are you from?

But trust me, there are millions of people who grow up in the U.S. with perfect hearing that can't type a term paper, either.

I know this, cause I wrote many term papers for others for extra cash. I went to a prep school, so I guess I got lucky...

Yep I'm British.

My English is more basic standard yeah. I also get like block when I try to write/type something not for personal use, more of work.

I think personal use like forums, mobile, etc I am more relax and doesn't matter how I say it and what my grammar is so I can do it much easier.

 

[TheOracle]

Yep I'm British.

My English is more basic standard yeah. I also get like block when I try to write/type something not for personal use, more of work.

I think personal use like forums, mobile, etc I am more relax and doesn't matter how I say it and what my grammar is so I can do it much easier.

I suspect you had a leg-up over people who didn't have a terp as apparently your terp was a great writer!

 

[posts from hell]

No, actually they asked you to find a deaf/Deaf/hoh person that felt that they could use spoken English without effort. Very different from being fluent.

Amazing on how things can be "forgotten" and the clueless card being pulled. I see it all the times.

 

[GrendelQ]

Amazing on how things can be "forgotten" and the clueless card being pulled. I see it all the times.

Yes, and now with several examples in hand, you are adjusting original claims that that 'NO deaf/HOH could EVER be fluent in spoken language' to let's see, 'find endless examples of d/Deaf/HOH people speaking with perfect diction, resonance, articulation and no hint of accent, deaf or regional.' As if a regional or deaf accent has anything to do with being fluent. And you'll publicly critique their pronunciation while we're at it.

If your issue is with the dictionary definitions of fluency that include the word "effortlessly" (they don't say "no effort"), you'll see that the word means "without difficulty, with little or no effort." Think about it, you couldn't breathe with "no effort", much less speak or sign.

What's next? Find someone who can do all this, with wings, too? And then ridicule their wingspan? Get over it, it's a very silly and destructive game you are playing just because you want to one-up Koko. d/Deaf/HOH can be fluent in spoken language.

 

[jillio]

Amazing on how things can be "forgotten" and the clueless card being pulled. I see it all the times.

Yeah. Wording and meaning is twisted pretty consistently by some.

 

[posts from hell]

Yes, and now with several examples in hand, you are adjusting original claims that that 'NO deaf/HOH could EVER be fluent in spoken language' to let's see, 'find endless examples of d/Deaf/HOH people speaking with perfect diction, resonance, articulation and no hint of accent, deaf or regional.' As if a regional or deaf accent has anything to do with being fluent. And you'll publicly critique their pronunciation while we're at it.

If your issue is with the dictionary definitions of fluency that include the word "effortlessly" (they don't say "no effort"), you'll see that the word means "without difficulty, with little or no effort." Think about it, you couldn't breathe with "no effort", much less speak or sign.

What's next? Find someone who can do all this, with wings, too? And then ridicule their wingspan? Get over it, it's a very silly and destructive game you are playing just because you want to one-up Koko. d/Deaf/HOH can be fluent in spoken language.

Nope, not playing games here. YOU are the one playing the games. I asked for fluent+effortlessly. The failure of including that little thing renders this entire thread pointless.

Should I throw in my video again?

 

[jillio]

Nope, not playing games here. YOU are the one playing the games. I asked for fluent+effortlessly. The failure of including that little thing renders this entire thread pointless.

Should I throw in my video again?

Why not? Some things bear repeating.

 

[GrendelQ]

Nope, not playing games here. YOU are the one playing the games. I asked for fluent+effortlessly. The failure of including that little thing renders this entire thread pointless.

Should I throw in my video again?

OK, and you've gotten examples of fluent + effortlessly in video, audio, and self-reported answers from d/Deaf and HOH on this forum.

"Effortlessly" is featured as part of the definition of fluent, which I included at the beginning, and in our discussions and again in more definitions provided in this very thread.

Now what?

 

[posts from hell]

OK, and you've gotten examples of fluent + effortlessly in video, audio, and self-reported answers from d/Deaf and HOH on this forum.

"Effortlessly" is featured as part of the definition of fluent, which I included at the beginning, and in our discussions and again in more definitions provided in this very thread.

Now what?

Where? Show me.

 

[Speedy Hawk]

I suspect you had a leg-up over people who didn't have a terp as apparently your terp was a great writer!

Lol, maybe.

I know about subject and terp know nothing and I know nothing about writing but terp knows lot about writing. Both together makes good.

At my uni they will mark you down for bad English and grammar. I didn't want to be mark down, it can easily affect what grade I get even I know better than some other students in subject. Some student really good at writing but don't know much about subject can get good marks than someone knows subject well but with bad English and grammar.

 

[sara1981]

i did look polls and they didnt on the lists for ASL/Sign Languages and writes

im also ASL,sign languages and writes when im grewup my mom knew it