Deaf Education research......

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Do you know any online version of one? I am wondering if I improve (it doesn't hurt me one bit if I haven't )

I don't really recommend online tests, so I don't keep up with them. They are usually not very good for assessment, and you never know what criteria they use for scoring.

But I can tell you from an informal view of your skills, you do very, very well.
 
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Thanks...Maybe I don't have to explain for bad grammar everytime I write a letter to someone when I have a complaint or about politics.
 
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Of course the ant-Deaf crowd is spreadin misinformation about Deaf schools. They have no idea and just continue with their propanga. :roll:
 
Not necessarily so. I know when doing research for an article I wrote in the early to mid 90s regarding this very issue the cost per pupil at the School for the Deaf closest to our home was approximately 4 times the per pupil cost of our local public school. Even after factoring in the costs of services for my child the projected cost of the total savings to our school district over the course of K through 12 were conservatively over $300,000.00.

Thus, in this case the Deaf School was by far the more expensive option and by far the inferior education.
Rick



Wow, I didn't know you reading researches that could be about me in public school from K-12th (I was in jr. high in the mid 90's) No wonder I had crappy deaf service- oops...I mean No deaf service. They must really wanted to save some money.
 
Wow, I didn't know you reading researches that could be about me in public school from K-12th (I was in jr. high in the mid 90's) No wonder I had crappy deaf service- oops...I mean No deaf service. They must really wanted to save some money.

Nice.
 
You are referring to a case history...one child. Additionally, one child that required no services, according to your claims. This is not the case with the majority. One student, such as the one you referenced, is not sufficient change the numbers for the majority. The majority of students in the mainstream who use a CI require additional accommodation and services.
Agreed. The comparsion is based on the assumption that an implanted kid will be one of the minimal accomondations superstars, who do not require a lot of services and intense accomodnations. Many of the implanted kids of the '90's, still required very intense services and accomondations (and all along with communication spectrum from auditory oral to TC etc)
 
You are referring to a case history...one child. Additionally, one child that required no services, according to your claims. This is not the case with the majority. One student, such as the one you referenced, is not sufficient change the numbers for the majority. The majority of students in the mainstream who use a CI require additional accommodation and services.


I think this falls into the category of "shoot first, ask questions later" or in your case, "respond first, read later"


What part of "Even after factoring in the costs of services for my child...." do you not understand? If you are going to make up things I said, at least make a superficial attempt to be accurate.

How can you possibly know what constitutes the majority in this situation?* How can you possibly know if the costs of the accommodations and services being provided to children with cochlear implants in the mainstream is usually more than the cost per student of the School for the Deaf in their area? Have you calculated the per student costs of every School for the Deaf nationwide and then compared it against the costs of accommodations and services being provided to each and every mainstreamed cochlear implanted child in this country?

Most important of all, how can you possibly know what is the best academic setting for each and every child?

No wait, that's right, you have a study that proves you are right, that you have previously provided... And it goes round and round again.

In our case, the School for the Deaf in our area is very costly to operate and with declining enrollment, it was driving up the per pupil costs so that even after factoring the costs of my child's accommodations and services (note I said she was receiving them), the per year difference was in excess of $30,000.00. In our case, the mainstream was the most appropriate setting for her, academically and socially but that is all it is: our case.

Bottom-line, for some deaf children, a School for the Deaf may be the appropriate academic setting and for others it may be a mainstream setting. Hopefully a child is being placed in the most appropriate setting for THAT child and not the least expensive.
Rick
 
Wow, I didn't know you reading researches that could be about me in public school from K-12th (I was in jr. high in the mid 90's) No wonder I had crappy deaf service- oops...I mean No deaf service. They must really wanted to save some money.

Or maybe you did not have parents like my wife and I who took the time to educate ourselves as to what our daughter would need and then worked with our school district to make certain she got what she needed.

One of the first things our District Supervisor said at our very first IEP meeting was that it was his goal to make certain our daughter graduated from the high school. One of the next things he said was that he realized we knew far more about the cochlear implant and our daughter's needs then anyone else in the room.

To the credit of our school district, their goal was to educate our child and not to save money.

Rick
 
Wow, I didn't know you reading researches that could be about me in public school from K-12th (I was in jr. high in the mid 90's) No wonder I had crappy deaf service- oops...I mean No deaf service. They must really wanted to save some money.

Same here...I was given as little accodomations as they could get away with so money can be saved. Nice, heh?
 
Agreed. The comparsion is based on the assumption that an implanted kid will be one of the minimal accomondations superstars, who do not require a lot of services and intense accomodnations. Many of the implanted kids of the '90's, still required very intense services and accomondations (and all along with communication spectrum from auditory oral to TC etc)

I guess you too just respond and do not read. Critical thinking always seems to be beyond your grasps. What's that they say about birds of a feather? No comparison was made nor was any assumption made. It was a straight forward example of one child.

Care to cite your sources for your unsubstantiated statement about "many of implanted kids of the 90s"?
 
Some deaf schools in europe are pretty screwed, while others are good. Is that problem solved in the states?

I can understand that some people exaggerate the problems in deaf schools, putting their kids in mainstream programs, and this way contribute to the dumping ground policy, that again increases the problems in deaf schools.

But is it still possible to look at the management of deaf schools with critical eyes, or is it all fine or a minor problem that not is serve enough to be adressed?

What I am a bit afraid of, is that if people constantly defend the deaf school versus mainstreaming programs, we can end up with importing the mainstreaming ideology into deaf schools. I've heard about it happening in a school in denmark recently. The sad part is that students aren't necessary happy with it. It's a "informed choice" and "expert" decision.

Of course all deaf schools have their problems and there is ALWAYS room for improvement.

Would you rather be educated in an environment where you have full and direct access to language and communication or have to play the guessing game in an oral-only classroom?
 
Or maybe you did not have parents like my wife and I who took the time to educate ourselves as to what our daughter would need and then worked with our school district to make certain she got what she needed.

One of the first things our District Supervisor said at our very first IEP meeting was that it was his goal to make certain our daughter graduated from the high school. One of the next things he said was that he realized we knew far more about the cochlear implant and our daughter's needs then anyone else in the room.

To the credit of our school district, their goal was to educate our child and not to save money.

Rick

Oh, I got what I needed for an oral-only deaf. Phonic FM system, front row, overhead projector, LD English class, etc. Very money saving alright because they already had those things available for hearing kids. The only thing they spent extra just for me was the phonic FM system until 4th grade (I did better without the FM system) . What more could they do for a public school?
 
Oh, I got what I needed for an oral-only deaf. Phonic FM system, front row, overhead projector, LD English class, etc. Very money saving alright because they already had those things available for hearing kids. The only thing they spent extra just for me was the phonic FM system until 4th grade (I did better without the FM system) . What more could they do for a public school?

I "finally" got an FM system in middle school but the problem was that I was soooooooooo ashamed of my deafness so wearing that didnt help me at all. I refused to because I wanted to be like my hearing peers so badly. I used to spend hours and hours studying the lyrics of popular songs so I could be like my friends and sing along with them.

Gosh..so much time wasted on stupid shit.
 
Oh, I got what I needed for an oral-only deaf. Phonic FM system, front row, overhead projector, LD English class, etc. Very money saving alright because they already had those things available for hearing kids. The only thing they spent extra just for me was the phonic FM system until 4th grade (I did better without the FM system) . What more could they do for a public school?

Teacher of the Deaf services, notetakers, closed captions, real time captioning, pre-teaching and tutoring services.....and on and on. Whatever would make the placement the Least Restrictive Environment.
 
Teacher of the Deaf services, notetakers, closed captions, real time captioning, pre-teaching and tutoring services.....and on and on. Whatever would make the placement the Least Restrictive Environment.

I'm glad they are offering those service today... but writing how public school save money compare to deaf school did not help those who needed deaf school.

oh I did have extra help. I had LD study hall which mean my LD teacher monitor my works in other classes (regular classes)

What i didn't have is Teacher of the Deaf, notetaker/CART and/or captioning <-----captioning wasn't really widely available back then anyway. Nor CART.
 
I'm glad they are offering those service today... but writing how public school save money compare to deaf school did not help those who needed deaf school.

oh I did have extra help. I had LD study hall which mean my LD teacher monitor my works in other classes (regular classes)

What i didn't have is Teacher of the Deaf, notetaker/CART and/or captioning <-----captioning wasn't really widely available back then anyway. Nor CART.

It is still more restrictive than an environment where language and communication is fully direct without a 3rd person involved.
 
It is still more restrictive than an environment where language and communication is fully direct without a 3rd person involved.

Who is the third person? Deafgal's language is English, she would be directly communicating with her teachers and peers in her language and communication mode.
 
Who is the third person? Deafgal's language is English, she would be directly communicating with her teachers and peers in her language and communication mode.

My language is broken English :) Their language is English. Actually she was referring to notetaking/cart/ and even my LD teacher. She acted like a third person for me in case any miscommunication happened.
 
My language is broken English :) Their language is English. Actually she was referring to notetaking/cart/ and even my LD teacher. She acted like a third person for me in case any miscommunication happened.

spoken language is meant for the auditory pathways and we are deaf so....



Unnnnn..(it is easy to figure out the problem here).
 
My language is broken English :) Their language is English. Actually she was referring to notetaking/cart/ and even my LD teacher. She acted like a third person for me in case any miscommunication happened.

She was probably talking about an interpreter vs an all ASL class.
 
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