Deaf children benefit from learning sign language, says research

[shel90]

I have stand my belief that Deaf kids needs to learn and understand their primary language which is ASL not English. Once they understand and can understand any other language much easier.

That I totally agree because of ASL being fully 100% accessible to deaf children when spoken English is not.

 

[hoodoowytch]

Actually, I attended to deaf school but all of the teachers were hearing and believed in S.E.E.. Until I met someone who is native ASL user and i picked up fast and started all over again with reading book etc. My other school is deaf but teachers are hearing and sign very English.

Damn...sounds like the school needed to hire teachers who understood what it's like to be deaf/Deaf. What is S.E.E.?

 

[ambrosia]

Damn...sounds like the school needed to hire teachers who understood what it's like to be deaf/Deaf. What is S.E.E.?

I think it's signed English, meaning the sentence structure and grammar is English. Don't hold me to that though hahahaha it's just what I think it is. But no one has answered you yet so I'm taking a stab at it.

 

[Bottesini]

Damn...sounds like the school needed to hire teachers who understood what it's like to be deaf/Deaf. What is S.E.E.?

I think it's signed English, meaning the sentence structure and grammar is English. Don't hold me to that though hahahaha it's just what I think it is. But no one has answered you yet so I'm taking a stab at it.

SEE is Signed Exact English, including articles, and ing endings, in exact English order.

 

[ambrosia]

SEE is Signed Exact English, including articles, and ing endings, in exact English order.

Thanks

Seems a bit tricky, which to teach and when. I can see the arguments for SEE, as far as teaching written English and integration with the hearing, work school etc. and new languages are so much easier to learn when you're young. Seems like one if those damned if you do damned if you don't issues.

Hmmm but I think the most important factor is that they're learning to communicate, by whatever means.

 

[ecp]

Thanks

Seems a bit tricky, which to teach and when. I can see the arguments for SEE, as far as teaching written English and integration with the hearing, work school etc. and new languages are so much easier to learn when you're young. Seems like one if those damned if you do damned if you don't issues.

Hmmm but I think the most important factor is that they're learning to communicate, by whatever means.

ASL is a complete language but for kids (like the kids I went to school with) who have cochlear implants or powerful hearing aids and can understand speech, I think that SEE is more useful in mainstream classes.

SEE doesn't depend on the ability of the interpreter to understand the subject (I had a terrible interpreter for organic chemistry and it was very clear that she didn't know what an atom is (as in she spelled out "Adam" and because I know science stuff, I just assumed she was signing "atom"))
Also, if the student has some useable hearing then SEE is (in my experience very useful) because I can integrate the scraps of speech I understand with what the interpreter is signing without having to miss a beat.

But, I only had experience with interpreters for graduate science classes.

To my first point- if an interpreter is being used to ensure a kid has access to the class and the kid also has some auditory ability, it might be confusing for the kid to hear the teacher but watch the interpreter completely change the word order. I can even see how it would make it more difficult to understand the auditory information since the word order and translation might be different.

 

[Jane B.]

ASL is a complete language but for kids (like the kids I went to school with) who have cochlear implants or powerful hearing aids and can understand speech, I think that SEE is more useful in mainstream classes.

SEE doesn't depend on the ability of the interpreter to understand the subject (I had a terrible interpreter for organic chemistry and it was very clear that she didn't know what an atom is (as in she spelled out "Adam" and because I know science stuff, I just assumed she was signing "atom"))
Also, if the student has some useable hearing then SEE is (in my experience very useful) because I can integrate the scraps of speech I understand with what the interpreter is signing without having to miss a beat.

But, I only had experience with interpreters for graduate science classes.

To my first point- if an interpreter is being used to ensure a kid has access to the class and the kid also has some auditory ability, it might be confusing for the kid to hear the teacher but watch the interpreter completely change the word order. I can even see how it would make it more difficult to understand the auditory information since the word order and translation might be different.

Coming from a complete oral mainstream background with one sided loss during school years and good ear very good then) I still struggle with why ASL developed with the completely different word order.

 

[KarissaMann05]

Coming from a complete oral mainstream background with one sided loss during school years and good ear very good then) I still struggle with why ASL developed with the completely different word order.

All after Ad'ers tried to explain how ASL works to you, and you're still complaining?

You should look up to see ASLe dot tv. It's effective. So, as soon as DVDs come out, teachers and professors already begin to pick Kittell's awesome ideas up.

 

[BecLak]

Coming from a complete oral mainstream background with one sided loss during school years and good ear very good then) I still struggle with why ASL developed with the completely different word order.

Because......ASL is not English, neither is it any other language or sign language for that matter. ASL is a language all it's own, Auslan (Australian Sign Language) is not English either, nor is it ASL or any other Sign Language for that matter and so on.

 

[BecLak]

ASL is a complete language but for kids (like the kids I went to school with) who have cochlear implants or powerful hearing aids and can understand speech, I think that SEE is more useful in mainstream classes.

SEE doesn't depend on the ability of the interpreter to understand the subject (I had a terrible interpreter for organic chemistry and it was very clear that she didn't know what an atom is (as in she spelled out "Adam" and because I know science stuff, I just assumed she was signing "atom"))
Also, if the student has some useable hearing then SEE is (in my experience very useful) because I can integrate the scraps of speech with what the interpreter is signing without having to miss a beat.

But, I only had experience with interpreters for graduate science classes.

To my first point- if an interpreter is being used to ensure a kid has access to the class and the kid also has some auditory ability, it might be confusing for the kid to hear the teacher but watch the interpreter completely change the word order. I can even see how it would make it more difficult to understand the auditory information since the word order and translation might be different.

If a child learns Sign language from the get-go and is fluent enough to have an interpreter, and she/he is still has some auditory, then drawing from both will help fill in the gaps where he/she are missing words by visually bringing clarity to things.

 

[Jane B.]

All after Ad'ers tried to explain how ASL works to you, and you're still complaining?

You should look up to see ASLe dot tv. It's effective. So, as soon as DVDs come out, teachers and professors already begin to pick Kittell's awesome ideas up.

If you re-read what I wrote you will notice that my point is NOT what it is BUT why it is what it is. Two very different things!

 

[tuatara]

Coming from a complete oral mainstream background with one sided loss during school years and good ear very good then) I still struggle with why ASL developed with the completely different word order.

Jane, you've been mentioning for a long time that you'd like to understand the reasons behind ASL's structure. You've gotten lots of explanations from people very well versed on the subject here, but it's still frustrating to you. I believe your frustration is genuine, but at this point I think it's safe to assume that one more explanation isn't going to help, given that all the others haven't. I think the best way to get a really good sense of why ASL structure makes so much sense for a signed language is to learn it and use it. As you spend more and more time with it, more and more deeply, I think it will start to make sense to you and clear up that question in a way all these explanations can't seem to do.

I think I remember you saying that you don't have people to use ASL with, where you are. And that you did try to learn it in the past? So, you're aware of some of the basics. You could go online and watch videos until some of the grammatical patterns start to become familiar. (You can let me know if you'd like some links.) If you're totally lost doing that, you could start out with videos that have captions and go back and forth between letting yourself look at them vs not. And for expressive if there's no one around, you can just think about how you would sign anything that comes to mind: what happened to you today, a funny story you'd like to tell, etc. Then do it in front of a mirror. And keep a notebook for things you get stuck on, aren't sure how to do - you can ask about them next time you interact with someone with good ASL skills.

I believe that you don't mean any harm by asking this question: by itself it seems innocent enough. But you're asking people about a language that they love and depend on in so many ways, and it's a language that the surrounding world and power structures have tried to take away from them throughout their history, at times actually doing that: taking their language away from them. And when not succeeding in taking it away, still belittling it, saying it's not a real language, or treating it and the people who use it as inferior and not deserving respect, as compared to English and people who use English. So there's alot of abuse that's been going on for a long time, before you showed up with your question. There are lots of raw wounds that are hard to live with and should never have been there in the first place. With that backdrop, I hope you can see how asking "Why isn't ASL more like English?" can be a really upsetting question. Since answers don't seem to be helping anyway, I hope you'll consider redirecting your curiosity into another attempt to learn the language. Either that or just decide to accept the fact that it's confusing to you.

I write all this because I understand how frustrating it can be to have a genuine question and to get yelled at for asking it. Sometimes it means there's alot going on: people are usually sensitive about things for a reason.

If you do take another shot at ASL and want to do a voice off video chat once in a while, I'd be up for a session or two.

 

[KarissaMann05]

If you re-read what I wrote you will notice that my point is NOT what it is BUT why it is what it is. Two very different things!

Please. I understand you just fine.

You basically kept asking the same question over and over about ASL.

 

[Jane B.]

If you re-read what I wrote you will notice that my point is NOT what it is BUT why it is what it is. Two very different things!

Please. I understand you just fine.

You basically kept asking the same question over and over about ASL.

I kept asking because I have felt like I am "spinning my wheels" to get answers to WHY. I have gotten answers over and over that do not address WHY but just keep saying IT IS.

 

[Bottesini]

I kept asking because I have felt like I am "spinning my wheels" to get answers to WHY. I have gotten answers over and over that do not address WHY but just keep saying IT IS.

It's how a visual brain processes language.

It makes more sense.

That is why!


Try to remember you have been told WHY!!!!

 

[dogmom]

YES