Deaf,asl,culture

im glad that i raised this question so i can tell her thank you all for your input but as CJB said that is how my friend thinks and thats what she think should be acceptable regardless if you are an ASL user or an Oral Deaf person.
Thank you all for not getting all rude....even though it was kinda on the verge lol...but ok..u can keep the post comin! =]
 
I'm Hearing and we (majority) get aggravated when other people from outside the US come into our country and refuse to learn our language but want to be treated like a US Citizen. Its kind of like "Why did I go to school to learn english, if in the end it doesn't matter?" I'm not speaking about everyone who is Hearing. But personally I get mad that they want me to try and figure out what they're trying to say in THEIR native tongue, not making an effort to try and speak in my native tongue which is English. ASL is the native tongue for the Deaf community...in MY opinion. :)
 
Megan8987 said:
I'm Hearing and we (majority) get aggravated when other people from outside the US come into our country and refuse to learn our language but want to be treated like a US Citizen. Its kind of like "Why did I go to school to learn english, if in the end it doesn't matter?" I'm not speaking about everyone who is Hearing. But personally I get mad that they want me to try and figure out what they're trying to say in THEIR native tongue, not making an effort to try and speak in my native tongue which is English. ASL is the native tongue for the Deaf community...in MY opinion. :)
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So you think we should all be speaking in your native tongue of English because we are all US citizens?

This may not make you popular among the people with no speech skills.

I kind of think this was a question directed to deaf people anyway.
 
Megan8987 said:
I'm Hearing and we (majority) get aggravated when other people from outside the US come into our country and refuse to learn our language but want to be treated like a US Citizen. Its kind of like "Why did I go to school to learn english, if in the end it doesn't matter?" I'm not speaking about everyone who is Hearing. But personally I get mad that they want me to try and figure out what they're trying to say in THEIR native tongue, not making an effort to try and speak in my native tongue which is English. ASL is the native tongue for the Deaf community...in MY opinion. :)
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Lots of deaf people are unable to develop clear speech skills but hearing foriegners are capable of developing good speech skills in any language. That's the difference.
 
Megan8987 said:
I'm Hearing and we (majority) get aggravated when other people from outside the US come into our country and refuse to learn our language but want to be treated like a US Citizen. Its kind of like "Why did I go to school to learn english, if in the end it doesn't matter?" I'm not speaking about everyone who is Hearing. But personally I get mad that they want me to try and figure out what they're trying to say in THEIR native tongue, not making an effort to try and speak in my native tongue which is English. ASL is the native tongue for the Deaf community...in MY opinion. :)
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Bottesini said:
So you think we should all be speaking in your native tongue of English because we are all US citizens?

This may not make you popular among the people with no speech skills.

I kind of think this was a question directed to deaf people anyway.
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These are good points.
Can be actually possible that we hearings have the potential to get inserted in the Def comunity, but Deaf cannot into the Hearing?

It's hearing a must to do so?
Knowing sign language its a must for getting inserted, regarding the language issue, it's the same for hearings?
Could Deaf be insserted into the Hearing comunity without kowing the language?

They actually do, since, most of them (here at least) writes the spoken mother tongue very well (sponken language and written language are actually relatives)...
:hmm:
Obviously oral Deaf have the chance to get insserted faster into the Hearing comunity... But... you dont need to be oral for it... i mean, if you know to read, and write, you have the same chances?

Im not sure I make sense :hmm:
 
Ok, maybe I didn't make it clear. Sorry, let me try again. What I mean is that I dont expect people from other countries to COMPLETELY speak in my native tongue. But for them to expect me to understand them and get mad when I dont doesn't really seem fair. This has nothing to do with people who are Deaf, or HoH, or have a disability affecting speech. I mean those who CAN hear and who CAN speak (just not in English) I understand it was meant for people who are deaf(sorry still trying to figure out the D/d) but its ALMOST the same thing when your hearing, I appreciate when people try to learn my language. Oy...never mind scratch my last posts
 
Megan8987 said:
Ok, maybe I didn't make it clear. Sorry, let me try again. What I mean is that I dont expect people from other countries to COMPLETELY speak in my native tongue. But for them to expect me to understand them and get mad when I dont doesn't really seem fair. This has nothing to do with people who are Deaf, or HoH, or have a disability affecting speech. I mean those who CAN hear and who CAN speak (just not in English) I understand it was meant for people who are deaf(sorry still trying to figure out the D/d) but its ALMOST the same thing when your hearing, I appreciate when people try to learn my language. Oy...never mind scratch my last posts
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Your thoughts are clear, but i dont see final point.
And pls, dont stop. that's what forums are for... to share our thoughts.

I'd like to point the difference between d/D

Deaf is the group. The deaf person that is part of a culture, that shares a system of comunication and view of the world. It's the cultural and social aspect. Anthropological, if you want.

deaf is usually reffered by the person with the lack of hearing. It's what the deaf person has in common in their group (deafness). It's the clinical/medical aspect.
 
ASL does not cater to hoh/D/deaf people as many have second abilityies eg. cerebral palsy. I can only use one hand.

I am a cued speech user because of this.
 
May I ask what your limitations are?

I had a one-armed sign language interpreter once, and I could understand her fine...

Sorry if it sounds rude, it just so particular that I don't really understand why it wouldn't cater to someone who is unable to use one of their limbs.
 
souggy said:
May I ask what your limitations are?

I had a one-armed sign language interpreter once, and I could understand her fine...

Sorry if it sounds rude, it just so particular that I don't really understand why it wouldn't cater to someone who is unable to use one of their limbs.
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I once had an interpreter who only had 3 fingers on one hand. I still understood him fine, even his fingerspelling.
 
souggy said:
By the way, I would not use subculture in the context of your post. It is more closely associated with counterculture when popular music took a full swing and took a grasp on teenage generations in the 1940s and onward. I realize what you means, but the connotation of the word is not in your favour here. And since Deaf is not a "counterculture," I would not use it in your sentences.

I said the same thing years ago and got blasted for it by an interpreter and a few years later-- an anthropologist for bad choice of word. You have good intentions, but just a head-up that someone will or might have a problem with that word.
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You are entitled to your opinion. I choose my words carefully and I believe sub-culture is the proper word in the context I used it in. Especially when I qualified it.
 
shel90 said:
.......................Speech and lipreading skills are a whole separate issue. This person thinks oral deaf people should be part of Deaf culture and not have to learn ASL. that's where I am basing my questions on.
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It always amazes me when people ask about my son being deaf. The first question (even back when he was 18 months old) was "Can he read lips" What they don't realize is that lipreading is very difficult. I ask them to go home and turn on the news. Now turn down the volume and see if you can follow along. They usually say "Oh, I didn't think about it that way" It is ignorance which I try to mitigate with education and awareness.
 
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