De-Baptism?

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Does the human spirit not evolve? Why take the time to participate in further rituals to prove what you already feel? For me, it's not pratical. Symbolism is for those who are not inspired or do not feel.

To me, the civil act of de-baptism can only intend to ruffle feathers. That's the greater offense. Is your life's focus so small as to focus on something petty? Live and let live. Your actions are the example. To belittle your life's purpose by intentionally offending others is to belittle yourself.
 
Wokamuka said:
Does the human spirit not evolve? Why take the time to participate in further rituals to prove what you already feel? For me, it's not pratical. Symbolism is for those who are not inspired or do not feel.

To me, the civil act of de-baptism can only intend to ruffle feathers. That's the greater offense. Is your life's focus so small as to focus on something petty? Live and let live. Your actions are the example. To belittle your life's purpose by intentionally offending others is to belittle yourself.
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While I do tend to agree with your basic sentiments, would you also say that holds true from one end of the continuum to the other?
 
jillio said:
While I do tend to agree with your basic sentiments, would you also say that holds true from one end of the continuum to the other?
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I do. While I may, sometimes, take fun out of offending others, I am well aware of lowered perception toward me. If I actually cared, I might worry. Never would I offend anyone representing an entire group.
 
Wokamuka said:
I do. While I may, sometimes, take fun out of offending others, I am well aware of lowered perception toward me. If I actually cared, I might worry. Never would I offend anyone representing an entire group.
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I thought so. Just wanted to give you the opportunity to make that clear.
 
Dixie said:
I think all bond through stupid 'rituals'.

There's nothing holy about the water I was baptized in, it's just a coming out that I am now a Christian.

These Athiests have a hard time thinking up 'original ideas'.
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Me too! :D I agree with that. :)

Athiests is false De-Baptized.
 
Dixie said:
I think all bond through stupid 'rituals'.

There's nothing holy about the water I was baptized in, it's just a coming out that I am now a Christian.

These Athiests have a hard time thinking up 'original ideas'.
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I agree, Dixie. Yeah, they even have their own holiday, so they shouldn't feel too terribly left out, although it does fall on April 1st, "All Fool's Day."
 
OK..does anyone else see something funny in using "Amen"? You are renouncing your baptism, but praising God for it at the same time? A wee bit silly, if you ask me. But..whaterver trips their trigger....
 
You know that it is very terrifying when Jewish people only want to believe in God, not Jesus even though he was a Jewish himself, too. There has been a lot of discrimination against Jewish people and other people who have different religion cultures. I thought that everyone of us are different in our belief and creed no matter what we think. What I hate the most is there had/has always been holy wars fighting against people who have different points of religion. Look at Ireland years ago fighting each other because of their different belief in God and Jesus or are they still at it against between Catholic and Protestant? Arabs and other Asians fight with each other for their different belief, too. Everyone of us are different what we want to believe in. No wonder we tend to be suspicious that there will never be peace on Earth and we became an atheists because we stop believing in God that it is suppose to be loving, sharing, happiness, learn to get along with people without wars and show respect each other no matter how different we are. It seems like every human beings want us to be like them and try to change our religion and customs to their satisfaction. This is what happen to us natives when the white people came over from Europe to settle down in the New World and discover that there are many native people all over the North America and South America. They want to destroy our native customs, our native languages, and our native religions. Our native people have different customs, speak different languages and almost close to the same kind of religions but in a different way. We had been at war with the whites for our right to be on Earth and to live on our lands. They are killing us for being sooooo selfish (oh, I want this land and I am going to take the land away from the tribe) and want to grab lands for themselves without asking us and we want them to be able to live among with us like neighbors. The reporters or someone who want to make a story about us with lies put all the lies about us in the newspapers and to the presidents. We were not that bad like that. We were call savages, but we were not like that at all except to fight back when they are fighting us to death without weapons or with weapons. This is why we are in tears for trying to make the whites understand our ways. All over the world it is like that too when there is greedy and selfish on their part to get what they want from them. **sigh** So reading the Bible or any other holy books is not helping us learn how to be kind and respect all kinds of people that live here on Earth or are we from another planets like Mars, Jupiter, or Saturn have probably gone through lots of wars, eh? Are we that bad that we can not make a good life on Earth???? :hmm:
 
So many references cited that is misguided, at most, by Bebonang's post that I'm speechless.

Ireland - you do not explain the whole picture and, obviously, pick and choose certain examples to support.

Asia and Christiantity - that's a whole 'nother issue.

Africa and "Arabic" issues - another ballgame and, totally, not related to your point.

Your simplicity within the realm of weaponry is clear . . . and not encompassing the nomenclature.

You're covering too many without, to me, much understanding.
 
pek1 said:
I agree, Dixie. Yeah, they even have their own holiday, so they shouldn't feel too terribly left out, although it does fall on April 1st, "All Fool's Day."
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The only fools are those who believe in something that hasn't been proven to exist.
 
Wokamuka, I am sorry that I did not explain what I am trying to say. Let just say we leave at that because I am not all that good about religions when I tried to understand what other people had other religion cultures from their perspective ideas of what they perceive God. We have to remember we believe in One God and no other idols(gods). So I guess that atheists who don't believe in God had lost faith. It is a struggle in our own conscious that we are suppose to do the right thing by following the ten commandments. Nobody don't want to follow the rules from the ten commandments. **sigh** So I am bowing out from trying to explain why do we have to suffer like this. Do you understand my drift, eh? :hmm:
 
Bebonang said:
Wokamuka, I am sorry that I did not explain what I am trying to say. Let just say we leave at that because I am not all that good about religions when I tried to understand what other people had other religion cultures from their perspective ideas of what they perceive God. We have to remember we believe in One God and no other idols(gods). So I guess that atheists who don't believe in God had lost faith. It is a struggle in our own conscious that we are suppose to do the right thing by following the ten commandments. Nobody don't want to follow the rules from the ten commandments. **sigh** So I am bowing out from trying to explain why do we have to suffer like this. Do you understand my drift, eh? :hmm:
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I am within your spirit. Within Christiandom, we have diverse views. Toward atheism, we're too busy being appalled.

Why do they misunderstand our desire to be Godly? Do we not live by example as Jesus demanded? Where have we failed and how can we solve it?

How can we teach others to love?
 
Atheism has nothing to do with the failure of Christians because the idea of such is selfish.

Rather, some atheists (myself included) do not believe in something that cannot be proven to exist. It just isn't rational to do so. Others have had negative experiences with those trying to spread the word (myself included).

Rather than being appalled by those who don't share your beliefs, you should understand why and try to respect others (we all should that is but there will always be clashes and disagreements).
 
BradB08 said:
Atheism has nothing to do with the failure of Christians because the idea of such is selfish.

Rather, some atheists (myself included) do not believe in something that cannot be proven to exist. It just isn't rational to do so. Others have had negative experiences with those trying to spread the word (myself included).

Rather than being appalled by those who don't share your beliefs, you should understand why and try to respect others (we all should that is but there will always be clashes and disagreements).
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Based upon your criteria, God does not exist.

Scientist, with their extensive reasearch and understanding, are inclinded to believe that there is God. I will not argue that point with one who is intent on not believing - I've no need to. There is respect by me, at least, and there is consideration by me, at least, in respecting what you desire.

To demand that others prove what they, innately, know to be true is foolishness. You see what you want to see and you, on the flip side, are demanding that others see what you want to see.

Many squabble on how to exemplify that the Supreme Being shows by example. You need not squabble within. Making it a point to do so is a greater offense than it is to, simply, be someone who considers him/herself on the outside.

While I may agree that, for a time, the favor as been toward a certain group, I will not condone a tactic that seeks to, personnally (and, therefore, non-constructively), deny passionate expression. Your expression is given and, to hammer away at it, is repetitive.
 
What is DeBaptism? I thought there is no way of doing that.
 
CrzyMeg said:
What is DeBaptism? I thought there is no way of doing that.
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I know of the symbolic act of being baptized. Apparently, there is a "ritual" that de-baptizes you. Read the first post of this thread - hair dryers are involved (don't ask me why).
 
Wokamuka said:
I know of the symbolic act of being baptized. Apparently, there is a "ritual" that de-baptizes you. Read the first post of this thread - hair dryers are involved (don't ask me why).
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There is no way to de baptize!
 
CrzyMeg said:
There is no way to de baptize!
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Literally, no. The act of baptism is symbolic. If you, intentionally, do not carry out the principles of your belief system, you are, already, not of the community. Baptism is to be re-born . . . and, as in the Christian holy texts, Jesus defended the concept toward one who believed the literal.

There are specific groups (or "cults") who argue differently. I will not go there. I believe that, with the debaptism ritual, the public atheists are attempting to prove, symbolically (and with the huge press involvement), that they are not in agreement toward the motivation for being an upstanding citizen.
 
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