Court of public opinion looms large in George Zimmerman murder trial

Tousi said:
Naisho, even the duty to retreat varies a bit among the 37 CCW States.......
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Yeah, I'm specifically referring to while being in Florida. I'm trying to determine what this law is stating for future good folks of the sunshine state... irrespective of the ruling with George being found not guilty.
 
naisho said:
So it sounds like what the Floridan law is saying, any person with CCW can defend themselves if they believe their life is in danger regardless of most circumstances that lead to it (ie: a fight, verbal abuse, disagreement). Along with some decent evidence that bodily harm is present or that the intent to cause it can be proved.

In respect to this ruling, it sounds like anyone who is smaller than their aggressor(s) is entitled to make a judgement when they might get their butt killed, so they can shoot the aggressor during the moment they fear their life is in jeopardy - with some aspect towards self-defense as the primary reason.

It sounds from this ruling, bigger and taller people in Floridan society can be considered a threat for their physical size alone, and smaller people have an entitlement to claim self-defense because of this alone?

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2012/04/12/us/13shooter-document.html?_r=0
Trial of George Zimmerman - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
State of Florida v. George Zimmerman
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I guess the lesson there is don't start a physical confrontation. I like it.
 
Tousi said:
I'd be willing to bet he does not have a CCW permit.
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Yes, that what I believe.

I seriously doubt that law abiding gun owners misuse their gun, similar to this man who recklessly and aggressive on road.

I regretted about my ugly language on road. :(
 
rockin'robin said:
Yes, it is illegal...but you escalated the situation by flipping him the bird....you never know of someone's state of mind on the highways...some are drunk, some on drugs, some are very angry....All in all, and you might even save your own life, is to remain calm, then get the license plate number, color of car, year, etc., if possible, and report it.....Just keep driving, or pull over once they pass.
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Yes, that's correct.

I followed my father - he used ugly language on road for years but not anymore when he got older, however he continue to use horn or tailgate if any drivers are reckless or aggressive.

It was bad influence for me so I don't follow anymore. I avoid a section of interstate highway that known to be most reckless, aggressive, drunk drivers, by use local road.

In my area, some people will tailgate you (drive too closely) if you drive at speed limit. What's crazy!

After incident between me and other man, the state deployed more state troopers to patrol the highway, along with sheriff. The clerk at county court told me about there were many incidents (especially road rage) on interstate and she informed to sheriff as well.
 
jonnyghost said:
Of coarse. But do you want the police showing up to your call or to their call?
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While there is some credibility to this, normally, police interview both parties to find out who is telling the truth. And, once they determine if the law applies and who is within the law, action is taken based on what they find.
 
kokonut said:
What were the questions?
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Oh Mike, you didn't get enough on the other political forums you jumped to? All because our AD political section closed? Welcome back (sarcastic :lol: )

(Oh, wait, I'm betting you got banned from them. What a shame.)
 
Foxrac said:
Yes, that's correct.

I followed my father - he used ugly language on road for years but not anymore when he got older, however he continue to use horn or tailgate if any drivers are reckless or aggressive.

It was bad influence for me so I don't follow anymore. I avoid a section of interstate highway that known to be most reckless, aggressive, drunk drivers, by use local road.

In my area, some people will tailgate you (drive too closely) if you drive at speed limit. What's crazy!

After incident between me and other man, the state deployed more state troopers to patrol the highway, along with sheriff. The clerk at county court told me about there were many incidents (especially road rage) on interstate and she informed to sheriff as well.
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That's what 911 is for. If you see a car who is driven by a reckless or drunk driver, call 911. If you can't call 911 because you are deaf, don't worry since someone else who also see it will call 911.

About one month ago, I was on the way to work, I saw one car swerving all the way on the freeway. What did I do? I kept cool and passed it by. I can't call 911 because I don't have a smartphone but I bet that many hearing drivers saw it and called 911 through a hand-free mobile phone (bluetooth or whatever).
 
VacationGuy234 said:
While there is some credibility to this, normally, police interview both parties to find out who is telling the truth. And, once they determine if the law applies and who is within the law, action is taken based on what they find.
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So when they get a call that a crazy man is waving a gun and threatening to kill people what kind of mood do you think they will be in when they get there? I'd rather they where responding to my call, the first call.
 
CrazyPaul said:
That's what 911 is for. If you see a car who is driven by a reckless or drunk driver, call 911. If you can't call 911 because you are deaf, don't worry since someone else who also see it will call 911.

About one month ago, I was on the way to work, I saw one car swerving all the way on the freeway. What did I do? I kept cool and passed it by. I can't call 911 because I don't have a smartphone but I bet that many hearing drivers saw it and called 911 through a hand-free mobile phone (bluetooth or whatever).
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I wouldn't depend on other drivers to make the calls. Unless there's an actual wreck, they probably won't bother to call it in.

In our area, you can't use 911 when reporting a traffic incident. You have to call the right jurisdiction, and it's often not clear which one, or, while you're driving, you go in and out of different jurisdictions. If it's the highway, then we call the highway patrol.

If it's not the highway, then we have to know if we are in one of three counties, and then are we in the city limits of half a dozen cities. We've tried to report dangerous, drunken drivers but by the time we got the right connection they were gone out of sight.
 
Reba said:
I wouldn't depend on other drivers to make the calls. Unless there's an actual wreck, they probably won't bother to call it in.

In our area, you can't use 911 when reporting a traffic incident. You have to call the right jurisdiction, and it's often not clear which one, or, while you're driving, you go in and out of different jurisdictions. If it's the highway, then we call the highway patrol.

If it's not the highway, then we have to know if we are in one of three counties, and then are we in the city limits of half a dozen cities. We've tried to report dangerous, drunken drivers but by the time we got the right connection they were gone out of sight.
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Deaf drivers are not allowed to text 911 while driving but hearing drivers can call 911 through bluetooth hand-free while driving. If they don't care that it can lead to a bad accident, they suck.
 
jonnyghost said:
So when they get a call that a crazy man is waving a gun and threatening to kill people what kind of mood do you think they will be in when they get there? I'd rather they where responding to my call, the first call.
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My guess would be a very cautious mood. And, if you're the guy who called first, you certainly wouldn't want to be out there with a gun drawn when they arrive.
 
jonnyghost said:
I don't understand why all the "kill pigs" and cop car smashing. What did the police have to do with the verdict?
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low education, hype, low IQ or something along those lines. It boggles my mind too.

Some people (of all races) don't seem to realize that the Oakland police are not related to the Sanford FL Police, nor is the city of Oakland/state of CA is related to Sanford/FL.
 
CrazyPaul said:
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Deaf drivers are not allowed to text 911 while driving but hearing drivers can call 911 through bluetooth hand-free while driving. If they don't care that it can lead to a bad accident, they suck.
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Not all hearing drivers have hands-free dialing (we don't), and not all areas use the 911 system for highways (we don't). It doesn't always have to do with not caring.

In some high-speed congested traffic even hands-free calling is an unsafe distraction. If there is a passenger available to call, maybe it can be done.
 
jonnyghost said:
I don't understand why all the "kill pigs" and cop car smashing. What did the police have to do with the verdict?
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There are paid movements out there and fringe groups that just want to take advantage of the situation and draw attention to themselves. It's no different from any other organization. They have political and militant units as well as units that collect money for their causes. This structure is present in all kinds of groups from conservative, independent and democrat to environmental.

The money you give to causes goes to enabling militant group action, for whatever cause. If the protest make the news, that group has done it's job.

If you can tell me what the Occupy Movement has to do with this case(other than enhancing it's own image), I'd love to hear it. Are they going to occupy Zimmerman's home?
 
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