Court martial for our American hero SEALs

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With one cleared though, but their names have already been sullied thanks to the wide-spread publicity.
 
kokonut said:
With one cleared though, but their names have already been sullied thanks to the wide-spread publicity.
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I doubt it. re-read the article that Reba posted specifically this line -

The trial of three SEALs, the Navy's elite special forces unit, in the abuse case has outraged many Americans who see it as coddling terrorists.
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Oh wow, that so sad to see like that.

I never understand about some of our American hero SEAL goes to martial court and get charge with wrong thing.
 
Other update.

Navy SEAL not guilty of charges in Iraq

Baghdad, Iraq (CNN) -- The first of three Navy SEALs accused of mishandling a suspect in the high-profile killings of contractors in Iraq was found not guilty at a court-martial Thursday.

A military jury cleared U.S. Navy Petty Officer 1st Class Julio Huertas of all charges, a military spokesman said.

Huertas and two other Navy SEALs -- Petty Officer 2nd Class Jonathan Keefe and Petty Officer 2nd Class Matthew McCabe -- have been facing charges in connection with the assault of Iraqi detainee Ahmed Hashim Abed.

U.S. authorities accuse Abed of being the mastermind in the slayings and mutilation of four U.S. contractors in Falluja in 2004, one of the Iraq war's most notorious crimes against Americans.

During Huertas' court-martial, Abed testified Wednesday that he was handcuffed, blindfolded and beaten.

Huertas and Keefe had been charged with dereliction of duty, based on the allegation that they failed to safeguard the detainee, according to the military. Huertas also was charged with impeding an investigation by attempting to influence the testimony of another sailor.

Keefe's court-martial was supposed to have opened Monday, but it was delayed after defense attorneys were stuck in Europe because of flight delays due to ash from the Icelandic volcano. That court-martial is expected to begin Friday morning.

McCabe, who is charged with assault, will be tried May 3 in Norfolk, Virginia.

The case against the SEALs has sparked outrage that the sailors are being tried at all for handling a suspect in the contractors' killings. A Facebook page called "Support The Navy SEALs who Captured Ahmed Hashim Abed" has almost 120,000 members.

After the contractors for the security firm Blackwater were killed with hand grenades and rifles, their bodies were set on fire and dragged through the streets. Two of them were hung from a bridge in Falluja, an image that was broadcast around the world.

Four days later, U.S. Marines launched a major offensive inside Falluja in part to help find the killers.

http://www.alldeaf.com/newreply.php?do=newreply&noquote=1&p=1568577

Reba, is that about you are looking for?
 
The military can do no wrong attitude seriously undermines credibility.
 
Reba said:
When they are falsely accused by a lying terrorist and their cowardly chain of command backs down from supporting them due to political correctness and watching out for their own career butts.

Don't forget, a court martial is a trial, and our SEALs have not been proven guilty of anything.
They are heroes who risked their lives to bring into custody a savage terrorist killer of Americans.
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Then they can't be deemed "falsely accused" either.:cool2:
 
I remember the 2004 Fallujah "battle" well. It was a slaughter. DU weapons, clusterbombs, phosphorus, napalm, and the media were forbidden to reveal the civilian casualties. This case is just the tip of the smokescreen. :aw:
 
Foxrac said:
Other update.

Navy SEAL not guilty of charges in Iraq

Baghdad, Iraq (CNN) -- The first of three Navy SEALs accused of mishandling a suspect in the high-profile killings of contractors in Iraq was found not guilty at a court-martial Thursday.

A military jury cleared U.S. Navy Petty Officer 1st Class Julio Huertas of all charges, a military spokesman said.

Huertas and two other Navy SEALs -- Petty Officer 2nd Class Jonathan Keefe and Petty Officer 2nd Class Matthew McCabe -- have been facing charges in connection with the assault of Iraqi detainee Ahmed Hashim Abed.

U.S. authorities accuse Abed of being the mastermind in the slayings and mutilation of four U.S. contractors in Falluja in 2004, one of the Iraq war's most notorious crimes against Americans.

During Huertas' court-martial, Abed testified Wednesday that he was handcuffed, blindfolded and beaten.

Huertas and Keefe had been charged with dereliction of duty, based on the allegation that they failed to safeguard the detainee, according to the military. Huertas also was charged with impeding an investigation by attempting to influence the testimony of another sailor.

Keefe's court-martial was supposed to have opened Monday, but it was delayed after defense attorneys were stuck in Europe because of flight delays due to ash from the Icelandic volcano. That court-martial is expected to begin Friday morning.

McCabe, who is charged with assault, will be tried May 3 in Norfolk, Virginia.

The case against the SEALs has sparked outrage that the sailors are being tried at all for handling a suspect in the contractors' killings. A Facebook page called "Support The Navy SEALs who Captured Ahmed Hashim Abed" has almost 120,000 members.

After the contractors for the security firm Blackwater were killed with hand grenades and rifles, their bodies were set on fire and dragged through the streets. Two of them were hung from a bridge in Falluja, an image that was broadcast around the world.

Four days later, U.S. Marines launched a major offensive inside Falluja in part to help find the killers.

http://www.alldeaf.com/newreply.php?do=newreply&noquote=1&p=1568577

Reba, is that about you are looking for?
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I am looking for what? :confused:
 
sallylou said:
The military can do no wrong attitude seriously undermines credibility.
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Both sides of this case are military, so to which are you referring?
 
Foxrac said:
I means that I posted an update article so is it related to your post?
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Oh, yes, it is. :ty:

I was just confused about the "link" you added, that wasn't really a link. I thought maybe something was missing. :lol:
 
Judge Clears Second Navy SEAL in Iraqi Abuse Case

BAGHDAD -- A U.S. military judge has cleared a Navy SEAL of wrongdoing in the alleged beating of a prisoner suspected of masterminding the grisly 2004 killings of four American contractors in Iraq.

The military says the judge found insufficient evidence to convict Petty Officer 2nd Class Jonathan Keefe on charges of dereliction of duty.
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FOXNews.com - Judge Clears Second Navy SEAL in Iraqi Abuse Case
 
good. very good.
 
Reba said:
Sure they can. The accuser can be lying. That's called a false accusation.
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But it can't be determined whether the accuser was lying prior to a trial, just as it can't be determined if the defendant is guilty or not guilty prior to trial.
 
I mean the idea that the soldiers must be telling the truth and the accusers must be wrong. Thinking that is naive. Neither a person nor an institution should have blind loyalty.

The SEALS are not rank and file so they generally have more credibility. The military rank and file after lowering the standards would have less credibility.

It's like saying that the bankers wouldn't lie. Goldman shorted! I'm shocked, shocked, I tell ya!
 
sallylou said:
I mean the idea that the soldiers must be telling the truth and the accusers must be wrong. Thinking that is naive. Neither a person nor an institution should have blind loyalty.

The SEALS are not rank and file so they generally have more credibility. The military rank and file after lowering the standards would have less credibility.

It's like saying that the bankers wouldn't lie. Goldman shorted! I'm shocked, shocked, I tell ya!
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Was jsut reading about that.:giggle:
 
jillio said:
But it can't be determined whether the accuser was lying prior to a trial, just as it can't be determined if the defendant is guilty or not guilty prior to trial.
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Prior to trial, a defendent is presumed innocent until proven guilty. The defendent is not guilty until judged "guilty."
 
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