Court allows agents to secretly put GPS trackers on cars

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(CNN) -- Law enforcement officers may secretly place a GPS device on a person's car without seeking a warrant from a judge, according to a recent federal appeals court ruling in California.

Drug Enforcement Administration agents in Oregon in 2007 surreptitiously attached a GPS to the silver Jeep owned by Juan Pineda-Moreno, whom they suspected of growing marijuana, according to court papers.

When Pineda-Moreno was arrested and charged, one piece of evidence was the GPS data, including the longitude and latitude of where the Jeep was driven, and how long it stayed. Prosecutors asserted the Jeep had been driven several times to remote rural locations where agents discovered marijuana being grown, court documents show.

Pineda-Moreno eventually pleaded guilty to conspiracy to grow marijuana, and is serving a 51-month sentence, according to his lawyer.

But he appealed on the grounds that sneaking onto a person's driveway and secretly tracking their car violates a person's reasonable expectation of privacy.

"They went onto the property several times in the middle of the night without his knowledge and without his permission," said his lawyer, Harrison Latto.

The U.S. Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals rejected the appeal twice -- in January of this year by a three-judge panel, and then again by the full court earlier this month. The judges who affirmed Pineda-Moreno's conviction did so without comment.

Latto says the Ninth Circuit decision means law enforcement can place trackers on cars, without seeking a court's permission, in the nine western states the California-based circuit covers.

The ruling likely won't be the end of the matter. A federal appeals court in Washington, D.C., arrived at a different conclusion in similar case, saying officers who attached a GPS to the car of a suspected drug dealer should have sought a warrant.

Experts say the issue could eventually reach the U.S. Supreme Court.

One of the dissenting judges in Pineda-Moreno's case, Chief Judge Alex Kozinski, said the defendant's driveway was private and that the decision would allow police to use tactics he called "creepy" and "underhanded."

"The vast majority of the 60 million people living in the Ninth Circuit will see their privacy materially diminished by the panel's ruling," Kozinksi wrote in his dissent.

"I think it is Orwellian," said Marc Rotenberg, executive director of the Electronic Privacy Information Center, which advocates for privacy rights.
"If the courts allow the police to gather up this information without a warrant," he said, "the police could place a tracking device on any individual's car -- without having to ever justify the reason they did that."

But supporters of the decision see the GPS trackers as a law enforcement tool that is no more intrusive than other means of surveillance, such as visually following a person, that do not require a court's approval.

"You left place A, at this time, you went to place B, you took this street -- that information can be gleaned in a variety of ways," said David Rivkin, a former Justice Department attorney. "It can be old surveillance, by tailing you unbeknownst to you; it could be a GPS."

He says that a person cannot automatically expect privacy just because something is on private property.

"You have to take measures -- to build a fence, to put the car in the garage" or post a no-trespassing sign, he said. "If you don't do that, you're not going to get the privacy."

Court allows agents to secretly put GPS trackers on cars - CNN.com
 
this really blows. it sounds more like something that happens in russia, not the america i grew up in
 
Gotta love tech.....Kinda like counties using google earth to make sure you didn't add an extension or pool.
 
A federal appeals court in Washington, D.C., arrived at a different conclusion in similar case, saying officers who attached a GPS to the car of a suspected drug dealer should have sought a warrant.

Experts say the issue could eventually reach the U.S. Supreme Court.

glad to see that somebody's abiding by the Constitution
 
:/

I am going "wtf" on two counts.

First: This is ... no other word than "wtf".
Second: Finally something logical from the OP
 
:squint: I don't like this at all.

Second here, I don't believe in stupid drug wars and cops have no rights to put secretly GPS trackers under car, even if warrant is required. They have no business to being nosy at suspected person whoever grow the marijuana in their yard.

They should focus on other crime than just on drugs, especially murder, rape, theft, treason, assault.
 
Anyone watched "The Good Guys?" show? Cops asked for GPA to place it underneath the bait car, but the police department said no. Instead, Cops had to persuade a paroled guy who has a GPA anklet to stay down in the trunk of the bait car, so they can track it.
 
gps snooping

i think it sets up LE and the civilian for tragedy . what if i saw someone dicking around my car in the middle of the night and i went out to investigate armed with whatever was handy? the law says i can protect myself and my property if threatened. texas for one has more homeowners with guns who are willing to use them. this is an abuse of authority worse than bush wiretapping everyone without a warrant after 9/11
 
I think it is GREAT. They should install it on all cars when they are made. Then if you don't have car insurance,health insurance, current tags or you owe income tax.....WHAMO!! Car disabled.
 
I have a tracker on my car just in case it gets stolen. It has a 100% retrieval rate as soon as you report it and activates the signal.
 
No one is arguing about the purposes of GPS for your OWN personal use. It's the government putting GPS on your vehicle WITHOUT needing a search warrant that is clearly a real issue and that truly violates the Constitution. The court failed to respect that and I demand that it be appealed all the way to SCOTUS.
 
That is different, you gave police consent so warrant do not needed from court. BUT having police sneak up on your car and implant GPS on your car and track where you are going or doing, without court warrant, would you approve that?

I have a tracker on my car just in case it gets stolen. It has a 100% retrieval rate as soon as you report it and activates the signal.
 
This has nothing to do with this topic, your going way off point. Once you want have GPS installed for yourself then fine that is because you gave the consent, having police sneak in your car and put something in your car, to find out what you are doing, will you approve it? I don't think so.
I think it is GREAT. They should install it on all cars when they are made. Then if you don't have car insurance,health insurance, current tags or you owe income tax.....WHAMO!! Car disabled.
 
This has nothing to do with this topic, your going way off point. Once you want have GPS installed for yourself then fine that is because you gave the consent, having police sneak in your car and put something in your car, to find out what you are doing, will you approve it? I don't think so.

Yes.....I will.

BTW, I see no way that this could be constitutional. But, it doesn't cause me to lose sleep either.
 
Horrible of the courts to say that. But why would they go thru the trouble of putting it on the car when all they need to do is watch the GPS on his phone. It would tell were he was as long as the battery is in. I'm sure they could have found a judge to authorize a warrant.
 


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