Connecticut school massacre

whatdidyousay! said:
It is not the simple , the shooter was 20 years and he could refuse to go for help or take any meds if that would had help. His mother would had to the court declared her son incompetent and locked up as threat to himself and society. And this is not easy to do if a person has not committed any crime yet.
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I know, but we need to start some place and the front line people(parents) need the help. There is never going to be a perfect solution to this problem, unfortunately.
 
ambrosia said:
I Am Adam Lanza's Mother

This I think says what really should be the focus, mental health and treatment. There's a quote in there from the kids social worker that I found really interesting

When I asked my son's social worker about my options, he said that the only thing I could do was to get Michael charged with a crime. "If he's back in the system, they'll create a paper trail," he said. "That's the only way you're ever going to get anything done. No one will pay attention to you unless you've got charges."
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So it seems that she knew that his son would kill people eventually since she talked about massacres in the past and he threatened her many times. Therefore this incident would never happen if he was sent to a mental hospital earlier. Alas, it's too late.
 
CrazyPaul said:
So it seems that she knew that his son would kill people eventually since she talked about massacres in the past and he threatened her many times. Therefore this incident would never happen if he was sent to a mental hospital earlier. Alas, it's too late.
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Not really about Lanza's mother. THe author is drawing a parallel.
 
whatdidyousay! said:
It is not the simple , the shooter was 20 years and he could refuse to go for help or take any meds if that would had help. His mother would had to the court declared her son incompetent and locked up as threat to himself and society. And this is not easy to do if a person has not committed any crime yet.
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I think the mother knew he wasn't "right" in the head but like all other mothers with special-need kids.... giving them as much love as they can in hope that they will turn out "just fine".

you could say the mother was living in self-denial.
 
It's too bad he couldn't have been shown better coping methods or better self-awareness techniques so that he could have sought help for his feelings and urges instead of acting out on them.

Sometimes our emotions and thoughts are powerful, and we need others to solve them.
Just like how if you have a broken leg, you don't go home and sleep on it... you go and get help from someone who knows how to treat broken bones before it becomes serious...
 
shimo said:
It's too bad he couldn't have been shown better coping methods or better self-awareness techniques so that he could have sought help for his feelings and urges instead of acting out on them.

Sometimes our emotions and thoughts are powerful, and we need others to solve them.
Just like how if you have a broken leg, you don't go home and sleep on it... you go and get help from someone who knows how to treat broken bones before it becomes serious...
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an ancient old question - how do you convince a delusional person that he's delusional when he is unable to discern the difference between reality and delusion?
 
CrazyPaul said:
So it seems that she knew that his son would kill people eventually since she talked about massacres in the past and he threatened her many times. Therefore this incident would never happen if he was sent to a mental hospital earlier. Alas, it's too late.
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That blog isn't from the Adam's mother. It is from a woman who has a son with the same problem. The blog is about how difficult it is and how ill equipped parents are at dealing with mental illness, that is not to say they do not try.
 
Jiro said:
an ancient old question - how do you convince a delusional person that he's delusional when he is unable to discern the difference between reality and delusion?
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You try to understand how their mind works and reasons to point out the discrepancies between how they think and how things actually are, I suppose.

I'm not saying mental health is a foolproof solution.
I just wonder if this incident isn't indicative of something overlooked or lacking in society.
 
shimo said:
You try to understand how their mind works and reasons to point out the discrepancies between how they think and how things actually are, I suppose.

I'm not saying mental health is a foolproof solution.
I just wonder if this incident isn't indicative of something overlooked or lacking in society.
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that's what all best minds have been trying to figure out since Aristotle and Plato.

You simply can't. It's as difficult as trying to convince a dog that it's him when looking at mirror.
 
If you click a link or 2 in the story "I am Adam Lanza's Mother" you will find that the writer is in Boise, Idaho. No, she is not Adam Lanza's mother - and it is a strange way of titling the article even if her & her son's story is true.

Boise? If the events take place in Boise, she's lucky that she is there and not somewhere in the Great Big State of Idaho with miles between mental health care facilities! Not only is the state geographically challenged in providing services it is in the bottom tier in the $ provided for mental health care according to Kaiser (link).

This lack of funding may seem odd since the US gov ranks Idaho in the top tier for incidents of mental illness (link).

Now to be fair, there isn't a whole lot of difference between the most mentally healthy state & the least mentally healthy state. I could make a little joke about Idaho being a little too close to Utah . . . but there does seem to be something about the neighborhood. Anyway, a person or a state cannot have too MUCH good mental health no matter what the location.

One thing about those maps - there seems to be a disturbing similarity between how much $ a state is willing to spend on mental health services and how it ranks for mental illness.

edited to add: I am going to come back to an earlier note that I made that a trained psychologist only makes the same income as a registered nurse. Many mental health workers earn a good deal less. Out-patient facilities for mental health cannot be very expensive compared to a hospital. A psychologist only needs an office and a few chairs. There may be some testing involved but nothing like what is involved in scans, labs, surgery, etc.
 
VacationGuy234 said:
That blog isn't from the Adam's mother. It is from a woman who has a son with the same problem. The blog is about how difficult it is and how ill equipped parents are at dealing with mental illness, that is not to say they do not try.
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Oh, ok so that is fictional since it was an essay, right? What's more, the author doesn't really know what was actually going on between Adam and his mother.
 
Calvin said:
How about we respect the tragedy that occurred the other day? The community needs to unite and give support and honor the victims. It's not the time to have silly bickering here in this thread.

If you want gun debates, there is plenty of that in another thread. Besides let's not forget those children tho died in the classroom along with 6 adults.

Thanks.
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I wish the news reporters would stop saying the shooter's name , I remember when there was another mass shooting the famliies of the victims got upset that the shooter's name was being used a lot. People send remembering the names of mass shooters and not the victims name. I will not use the shooter name for this reason.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/15/sandy-hook-shooting-victims-names_n_2307354.html

this has the names of the victims
 
CrazyPaul said:
Oh, ok so that is fictional since it was an essay, right? What's more, the author doesn't really know what was actually going on between Adam and his mother.
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What's fictional about it? It's a blog about how a real mother is afraid of her real child and needs help.

While nobody knows what was actually going on, Adam's mom expressed in court papers she was concerned and didn't like to leave him alone, a 20 year old. I think the mom in the blog has a pretty good idea.
 
VacationGuy234 said:
What's fictional about it? It's a blog about how a real mother is afraid of her real child and needs help.

While nobody knows what was actually going on, Adam's mom expressed in court papers she was concerned and didn't like to leave him alone, a 20 year old. I think the mom in the blog has a pretty good idea.
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If the mom in the blog didn't purchase guns, how could she have a pretty good idea? Did she take her child to shooting ranges?

What doesn't make sense to me is as you mentioned that Adam's mom was concerned about him, then how come she purchased guns which were accessible to him? That's fucked up.
 
Well, the title is fiction.

Stating it that way got a lot of interest, I'm sure. Some of her message comes thru.

It is very difficult for me to put myself in her place despite having a little experience with 1 child feeling that counseling is very important to him. As a father, I didn't think that was true when he was a kid but I can see the benefit to him these days.
 
CrazyPaul said:
If the mom in the blog didn't purchase guns, how could she have a pretty good idea? Did she take her child to shooting ranges?

What doesn't make sense to me is as you mentioned that Adam's mom was concerned about him, then how come she purchased guns which were accessible to him? That's fucked up.
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I see your point and it is a good one, after looking into it. Not a good idea to bring the kid to a gun range, I agree. Apparently, the guns were owned by a family member.
 
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VacationGuy234 said:
I see you point and it is a good one, after looking into it. Not a good idea to bring the kid to a gun range, I agree. Apparently, the guns were owned by a family member.
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why is it not a good idea to bring kids to gun range? Hundreds of thousands American families have brought kids to gun ranges for competition, fun and education for hundreds of years. it's practically an American tradition or American way of life, if you will.

I see nothing wrong with it and I will be starting that family tradition once I have my own kids.
 
Jiro said:
why is it not a good idea to bring kids to gun range? Hundreds of thousands American families have brought kids to gun ranges for competition, fun and education for hundreds of years. it's practically an American tradition or American way of life, if you will.

I see nothing wrong with it and I will be starting that family tradition once I have my own kids.
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Focus Jiro. He was talking about Adam, not "any kid".
 
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