Connecticut school massacre

naisho said:
My idea of a fix is harder, and it would cost less to implement. Not a gun ban, as people will get a gun if they really want one. We can try to 'reduce' guns as a go-to solution, remove the ideology that guns are cool (to kids) and the status associated with owning one. This can reduce gun ownership all around, and therefore less likely someone will misuse a gun. (8 in 10 chance compared to 1-3 in 10)
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The government tried a program to prevent drug use in the 80's-90's called D.A.R.E. and suffice to say it didn't work out that well. Ironically some of the schools that had "Say no to drugs" programs actually experienced MORE drug usage. The problem is that sometimes if you tell a kid, "Don't do that", it'll tempt them to do it anyway.
 
The last posts have shown that the Matrix is about three-quarters complete. I hope it doesn't get completed within 9 months. Those of you who say arming teachers is a bad idea have NO CLUE about human nature. We not only have gunmen who do this sort of thing, but also the neo-controllers who institute police states and take advantage anyway they can, by disarming society. When a society is disarmed, then you can do anything you want with them, AS LONG YOU DON'T LET THEM REALIZE THAT ALL THEY HAVE TO DO IS ORGANIZE A GROUP OF 50,000 PEOPLE WITH NOTHING TO LOSE to go after the institutional bullies who are trying to complete the Matrix. YOU WERE WARNED. I'm sure there are people out there willing to organize something like this when the politicians start turning on us militarily. Meanwhile, I STFU, keep my damn head down, and get out to safety. Did you read the thread containing the "Surveillance in America" article? They're coming for YOU. They're going to get to where you can't do anything without permission.

Can I get up to go to the fridge?
Can I go to the bathroom?
Can I go to work?
Can I go to get my oil changed?
Can I log into my computer and use it?

That's what these people want to do to you. Control EVERY SINGLE THING YOU DO IN YOUR LIFE, and the day it happens is the day I end my life, even in the middle of a forest or a desert with no people around.

I WARNED YOU.
 
:shock: ever heard of a conspiracy theorist? Yeah Im betting you buy into all that. Paranoid much??
 
A Nihilist said:
The government tried a program to prevent drug use in the 80's-90's called D.A.R.E. and suffice to say it didn't work out that well. Ironically some of the schools that had "Say no to drugs" programs actually experienced MORE drug usage. The problem is that sometimes if you tell a kid, "Don't do that", it'll tempt them to do it anyway.
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I've read the empirical research on the efficiency of D.A.R.E. and the longitudinal impacts. Hands down it's a mixed bag and the results of that system is varied. 8 sessions with a LEO or person in authority position. I got a cool D.A.R.E shirt when i was a kid from one of them.

However, Drug vs Guns are not the same concepts. Narcotics and substance abuse users are all victimless crimes for the pursuit of hedonist pleasure; they do it long-term because it feels good to them. Also, the government is active against the use of drugs through policy. Guns are part of an American culture. Social status, family tradition, personal/political belief, or coolness factors with youths. That's not the same concept involved with banned consumables, you can change culture, but you can't change the 'feels good man' trait of drugs.
 
Deafdrummer, I am not one who said anything about teachers other than that they should have our help and hugs.

Getting over to read the "Surveillance in America" thread may take me a little time because I seem to be in charge of preparing the Sunday dinner. Luckily, dear wife put together a pie yesterday but she has already gone off for a nap. I've got lots of veggies on the stove . . . and dear son will be showing up soon.

I have just been looking at information on counseling and psychology jobs. Not for me but just thinking that people never have too much good mental health. Some of these folks, psychotherapists and such, are unemployed these days.

I thought it was wonderful to learn about psychologists in all kinds of settings but it is a little surprising that less than 1/20th of the job growth is expected in these jobs. With so much unemployment, the field could use some help - while they are out there helping people, young & old.

Their pay is about same as a registered nurse. The therapists/social workers/aides work for even less . . . all the way down to less than 50% of an RN's salary.
 
Foxrac said:
Why again? :mad:

News from The Associated Press
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No, not again, I mean thst's not quite the right wording. This was before the Sandy Elementary Shooting. Plus if he was sqawking about it doing it before hand he probably wasn't actually planning on doing it. That's dumb, not crazy. "Iwant to kill as many people as I can before the police can stop me". Well they'll be able to stop you pretty damn quick if you tell them about it first.
 
Lau2046 said:
A better solution would be to run the schools like a federal building. Allow no public access without appointment. Have guests escorted on the grounds, use metal detectors and have all exits locked down and opened only by codes, including the main door leading to the classrooms.


Laura
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That would never stop the CT shooter. He forced his way into the school.

Anyone on a mission to kill will break in by force.
 
ambrosia said:
No, not again, I mean thst's not quite the right wording. This was before the Sandy Elementary Shooting. Plus if he was sqawking about it doing it before hand he probably wasn't actually planning on doing it. That's dumb, not crazy. "Iwant to kill as many people as I can before the police can stop me". Well they'll be able to stop you pretty damn quick if you tell them about it first.
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Yup, I'm happy that attacks have thwarted.

If I have a child so I will very concern about security of school and I think homeschool is best option for security, however the child can die from other way, such as car accident.
 
Ironically, when I attended public school in Connecticut, we had rifle clubs in the high schools, and we never had any attacks or even threats of attacks in any schools.
 
I find the lack of discussion of the mind-altering psych meds the vast majority of these shooters are on to be very telling.

Would it have anything to do with the fact that pharmaceutical co.'s are one of the largest network sponsors?
 
ambrosia said:
:shock: ever heard of a conspiracy theorist? Yeah Im betting you buy into all that. Paranoid much??
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Lady, GD! Look around you! IT'S HAPPENING. It's in the news, people on FB reporting being PATTED DOWN to see an NBA game! WAKE UP!
 
Reba said:
Ironically, when I attended public school in Connecticut, we had rifle clubs in the high schools, and we never had any attacks or even threats of attacks in any schools.
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How old are you? 40? 50? 60? We had guns in the back of our vehicles so we could go hunting after school instead of having to drive home before heading out to the killing fields.

Reba, things are getting to where I want to disconnect my Internet, store my things, and hide out while keeping my head down, STFU, and wait it out.
 
ambrosia said:
Last night I posted a little rant about this on FB. Between this thread and things I've seen posted and shared there about ways to prevent these things.....I'm starting to wonder about people. I realize that's the knee jerk reaction to something like this, we have to stop these things from happening. I've seen stuff about gun control, about arming the teachers (which is just wacked) and people blaming video games, no not just crazy paul, I've seen it on fb. All over those things are over the top, not feasible, or just as loopy as the people who do these things.

Here's a little perspective. I did a little google search the latest dates I could find were from 2009. The leading cause of death for children is car accidents. 1,314 kids under the age of 14 were killed in car crashes. 179,000 were injured. Know how many kids were killed in mass shootings at a school that year? None. I don't know how many kids were killed this year in car crashes, but we know that 20 were killed this year in a mass shooting at a school, I'm betting more kids died in car accidents. Are those car accident victims less tragic than the shooting? Why? because they didn't happen all at once? I don't see anyone calling for taking all the cars off the road. Tomorrow you all are going to load your kids up in the car and take them somewhere, maybe to school. The chances of them dying on their way to school are astronomically higher than getting killed in a crazy person's rampage.
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But the difference is that nobody planned any of these car accidents like this murder was. However, that's why seat belt and other laws regarding driving were laws were implemented . For a gun to kill, someone has to intentionally use it to kill unlike cars. That's why there is this uproar.
 
ambrosia said:
No if there were no guns they'd still find a way. In 1927 the treasurer of a school killed his wife, burned down his house, and blew up his school. He killed 34 people and injured 58. No gun. Yesterday a man in China slashed 22 kids with a knife. No gun. You need to separate "gun violence" and wacked out people that have snapped. They're the problem. The have always been crazy people, there will always be crazy people. No ifs and or butts about it, so unless we start doing comprehensive psyche evaluations on every person in the world throughout their life (because who knows when the person is going to snap) and round them up and separate them from society, yes shit is always going to happen. People are the problem, not their methods of execution, no pun intended.
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I was thinking about that same story. Mr. Kehoe was the caretaker of the school. He did not like the way others ran it. He had access to the basement where he rigged up a large amount of dynamite with timers. Fortunately only a small portion exploded. About 1/3 of the school collapsed. I grew up near there. My dad showed me where the remains of his farmhouse was as well as the school. There is a small memorial in the entrance of the current Bath High School. There were warning signs to people back then but choose not to investigate further into his behavior.
 
shel90 said:
But the difference is that nobody planned any of these car accidents like this murder was. However, that's why seat belt and other laws regarding driving were laws were implemented . For a gun to kill, someone has to intentionally use it to kill unlike cars. That's why there is this uproar.
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Oh I understand the knee jerk reaction, omg we have to stop this. I was trying to put it in perspective. You do what you can to make everything as safe as possible. But going to extreme lengths, getting rid of all guns on one extreme, or arming everybody, the other extreme is really a feasible solution.
 
shel90 said:
But the difference is that nobody planned any of these car accidents like this murder was. However, that's why seat belt and other laws regarding driving were laws were implemented . For a gun to kill, someone has to intentionally use it to kill unlike cars. That's why there is this uproar.
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I agree that is why there called accidents. The shooting was not an accident.
 
shel90 said:
But the difference is that nobody planned any of these car accidents like this murder was. However, that's why seat belt and other laws regarding driving were laws were implemented . For a gun to kill, someone has to intentionally use it to kill unlike cars. That's why there is this uproar.
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safety laws like seat belt and cellphone were passed because of proven and confirmed correlation with years of death statistics.

but knee-jerk gun laws like assault weapons ban and more restrictive gun laws after incidents that were statistically rare? unproven and unconfirmed. the worst part - failed and extremely costly. that's why most of knee-jerk gun laws expired and were never renewed. some was overturned by Supreme Court.
 
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