Confederate Flag

What does Confederate Rebel Flag means to you?

  • A symbol of Civil War History

    Votes: 41 25.8%
  • A symbol of racist

    Votes: 44 27.7%
  • A symbol of Heritage (Civil War Veteran Generation)

    Votes: 60 37.7%
  • Others - please specify

    Votes: 14 8.8%

  • Total voters
    159
Are you sure about that? You must have misread history... let me help you:

http://blackconfederates.blogspot.com

http://cwmemory.com/tag/black-confederates/

I doubt there is much difference in treatment of slavery between North and South.
Come on, you believe those BS?

https://civilwargazette.wordpress.com/2008/03/13/did-blacks-fight-in-combat-for-the-confederacy/

They were cooks, musicians, etc to satisfy/entertain the enemy of the North. If they said no, they would be murdered. You know that.

If I were a black slave fighting for the South and the South won, I would be still a slave owned by a Southern. Why would I be doing that if they still owned me?
 
Do you actually believe that he's the only one? Don't you think some other people who support the stupid flag feel the same way but they are afraid to do what he did? I know why-because they don't want to go to jail but they still feel the hatred as he does.

You better wake up.

No I do not believe that he is the only one. I am not that naive, <redacted>. I am sure there are many who support the ideology behind the flag and support the old outdated beliefs. I am not naive to think that there aren't more like Mr. Roof... and will bet that in years to come there will be more who attempt the same crap as what Mr. Roof did.

I am far more awake than you Mr. Crazy Paul.

Some more information about the Civil War-

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics...his-cruel-war-was-over/396482/?fb_ref=Default
 
Lets see if you are that smart. Why did he kill those people? Have you seen his picture posing with this flag and burning an American flag? I don't get why you can't see that this flag is the cause of his crime. He said so in his manifesto.

He never killed those people due to a flag...millions of people see saw thst flag every dsy...it hasnt caused them.to murder peoplw on sight of it did it?
He killedthose people.for an ideology that really isnt much connected to that flag any more then it is connected to old glory
 
No I do not believe that he is the only one. I am not that naive, <redacted>. I am sure there are many who support the ideology behind the flag and support the old outdated beliefs. I am not naive to think that there aren't more like Mr. Roof... and will bet that in years to come there will be more who attempt the same crap as what Mr. Roof did.

I am far more awake than you Mr. Crazy Paul.

Some more information about the Civil War-

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics...his-cruel-war-was-over/396482/?fb_ref=Default

Oh he certainly isnt alone, nor will he be the last one of his ilk.
But the ideology he killed for isnt as dead or outdated as some think...
If anything, racism is growing, and changing,
Its noT a finished ideology....certainly not on the inside, some orgs are very very motived,very very well funded , and very very tough....
I dont see them giving up any time soon...
 
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Are you sure about that? You must have misread history... let me help you:

http://blackconfederates.blogspot.com

http://cwmemory.com/tag/black-confederates/

I doubt there is much difference in treatment of slavery between North and South.

Sadly there was a difference in treatment...

The south was already moving to free slaves while the north wanted to keep slaves... the south often, and this sounds horrible, but would treat slaves like a valued working pet... while the north were more cruel in their endeavors... the south recognized there were freed and born free blacks and let it be, while the north would often enslave a free black person.... there are a lot of differences if you look into the history and read the journals of slaves and free black people...
 
LOL , political correctness suddenly a popular term?!

wow

its quite subjective for some....
 
hoichi, ideology isn't a term most understands what it is, most haven't got a CLUE.......

it is like 'fitness' whereas most thinks they know what it is, but in fact 95% don't know it, only "some' of it as only the OBVIOUS aspects of 'fitness' is observable but as 'understood' from layers of what is, what shows, what is not, etc isn't clear for many....

ok ideology is a 'slightly hazy impalpable term' but do the mass, (this includes 99% of ADers) understands how it operates??

id say its a waste of time....hell, i liken to say, this 'race attacks' from WHITES shouldnt trigger the gun reform !....its just crazy...
 
Ridiculous? Can't you see it with your own eyes?

Those black church people are dead because of this flag.
That doesn't make sense.

If there was no Confederate flag in existence, that guy would still have done what he did.

His racial hatred was already inside of him. Those pictures of him waving the flag were just an outward expression of that hate. The flag wasn't the cause of his hate.
 
That doesn't make sense.

If there was no Confederate flag in existence, that guy would still have done what he did.

His racial hatred was already inside of him. Those pictures of him waving the flag were just an outward expression of that hate. The flag wasn't the cause of his hate.

i agree!!!

that is the media hype to make people use 'racism' to change gun laws...
its just stupid
 
Don't you comprehend what I was saying? If this flag is no longer allowed being displayed in public, will you accept it or what? Will a new law kill you? Have your realized that it's 2015? It's time to move on and accept any changes while you live.
Remember the First Amendment--or is that one of the changes you expect people to accept?

Should we remove everything that might offend?

Already these offensive items have been removed from public view in many places:

US flag

crosses

The 10 Commandments

sports teams mascots

Christmas nativity scenes


What's next?
 
The way its going in this country it may soon be time to fly the United States flag upside down :shock:
 
MYTH – The War of 1861 – 1865 was fought over slavery.

FACT – Terribly untrue. The North fought the war over money. Plain and simple. When the South started Secession, Lincoln was asked, “Why not let the South go in peace?” To which he replied, “I can’t let them go. Who would pay for the government?” Sensing total financial ruin for the North, Lincoln waged war on the South. The South fought the War to repel Northern aggression and invasion.

I don't have time to go through all of these, but I will address this one. The war did not start over money. The war started over the taking of Fort Sumter, an American military installation in SC. The North did not want war. The South prepared for war after what came to be known the John Brown raid in which a civilian attempted to start a slave revolt in the South:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Brown%27s_raid_on_Harpers_Ferry

Up until that time, nobody wanted war. It was only after that moment that the South thought it was possible the North would/could invade.

TIPS for avoiding war: Don't attack Perl Harbor; don't take down buildings with airplanes, and never, ever, attack an American military installation.
 
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I don't have time to go through all of these, but I will address this one. The war did not start over money. The war started over the taking of Fort Sumter, an American military installation in SC. The North did not want war. The South prepared for war after what came to be known the John Brown raid in which a civilian attempted to start a slave revolt in the South:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Brown's_raid_on_Harpers_Ferry

Up until that time, nobody wanted war. It was only after that moment that the South thought it was possible the North would/could invade.

TIPS for avoiding war: Don't attack Perl Harbor; don't take down buildings with airplanes, and never, ever, attack an American military installation.

Hmm this is but one action of but one thought... There is not really any one reason for the civil war.... many groups had different issues that can be boiled down to the north vs the south... money is the bottom line yes, along with government, and personal and religious views. The beat site i have found that can break it down is a little bit of reading but can help clear a few points is:

http://www.historynet.com/causes-of-the-civil-war
 
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Remember the First Amendment--or is that one of the changes you expect people to accept?

Should we remove everything that might offend?

Already these offensive items have been removed from public view in many places:

US flag

crosses

The 10 Commandments

sports teams mascots

Christmas nativity scenes


What's next?

Sign language. Offends many hearies....
Maybe were next...
 
QUOTE=CrazyPaul;2424926]Ridiculous? Can't you see it with your own eyes?

Those black church people are dead because of this flag.

http://atlantablackstar.com/2014/02/14/10-outrageous-reasons-black-people-were-lynched-in-america/



Innocent Black people were being killed before there was even the Confederate flag . Flags don't turn people into cold blooded killers


This is like saying Hitler killed over 11 millions innocent people b/c of the
Swastika he wore on his arm. :roll:

Sadly, CP is disrespecting my ancestry. :roll:
 
Hmm this is but one action of but one thought... There is not really any one reason for the civil war.... many groups had different issues that can be boiled down to the north vs the south... money is the bottom line yes, along with government, and personal and religious views. The beat site i have found that can break it down is a little bit of reading but can help clear a few points is:

http://www.historynet.com/causes-of-the-civil-war
Slavery

The burning issue that led to the disruption of the union, however, was the debate over the future of slavery. That dispute led to secession, and secession brought about a war in which the Northern and Western states and territories fought to preserve the Union, and the South fought to establish Southern independence as a new confederation of states under its own constitution.
The agrarian South utilized slaves to tend its large plantations and perform other duties. On the eve of the Civil War, some 4 million Africans and their descendants toiled as slave laborers in the South. Slavery was interwoven into the Southern economy even though only a relatively small portion of the population actually owned slaves. Slaves could be rented or traded or sold to pay debts. Ownership of more than a handful of slaves bestowed respect and contributed to social position, and slaves, as the property of individuals and businesses, represented the largest portion of the region’s personal and corporate wealth, as cotton and land prices declined and the price of slaves soared.
The states of the North, meanwhile, one by one had gradually abolished slavery. A steady flow of immigrants, especially from Ireland and Germany during the potato famine of the 1840s and 1850s, insured the North a ready pool of laborers, many of whom could be hired at low wages, diminishing the need to cling to the institution of slavery. Learn more about Slavery in America
That's why we had a civil war. The South wanted secession because they wanted to keep slavery going while the federal government said to stop the slavery. 4 millions slaves in the South, WOW! I believe that high schools still educate the students about that. In other words, if that's not actually the reason for the civil war, why don't the history teachers say so?
 
That's why we had a civil war. The South wanted secession because they wanted to keep slavery going while the federal government said to stop the slavery. 4 millions slaves in the South, WOW! I believe that high schools still educate the students about that. In other words, if that's not actually the reason for the civil war, why don't the history teachers say so?

no. the slavery part came much much later because the Civil War was losing support rapidly. The support and funding were needed to continue the war effort so Abraham Lincoln thought slavery liberation would drum up a "feel-good" rally support for public.

The original cause for Civil War was to enforce the federal government's power which the South had a great disdain for. Slavery was an accepted way of life back then and the North would like to abolish slavery so that the South would lose its economic power to compete with the North (factories, machines, etc).

nobody cares about black people back then. it's always about the money. South did it very cheap for a greater margin of profits and the North didn't like that. when slavery was abolished... the Northerners were still racist toward them.... hence the segregation and diminished voting power.
 
no. the slavery part came much much later because the Civil War was losing support rapidly. The support and funding were needed to continue the war effort so Abraham Lincoln thought slavery liberation would drum up a "feel-good" rally support for public.

The original cause for Civil War was to enforce the federal government's power which the South had a great disdain for. Slavery was an accepted way of life back then and the North would like to abolish slavery so that the South would lose its economic power to compete with the North (factories, machines, etc).

nobody cares about black people back then. it's always about the money. South did it very cheap for a greater margin of profits and the North didn't like that. when slavery was abolished... the Northerners were still racist toward them.... hence the segregation and diminished voting power.
What kind of power? Federal taxes that the South didn't like to pay?
 
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