CI operation

[Opal]

Get your facts straight. There have been documented operations to restore babies' sex organs.

Fortunately, there are very very rare babies born with TWO sexes, and Doctor will operation to make these babies to have one, to lead a normal life.

Doctor won't operation from single sex baby to please parents' choice!!

 

[Deaf258]

There was a doctor who accidentally snipped off a boy's penis while trying to get him circumcised. So the doctor consulted with the parents and ended up giving the boy a sex operation. They gave him a vagina with hormone treatments. It has happened and it wasn't the first or last time!

End of story: babies get sex changes, too!

 

[Opal]

There was a doctor who accidentally snipped off a boy's penis while trying to get him circumcised. So the doctor consulted with the parents and ended up giving the boy a sex operation. They gave him a vagina with hormone treatments. It has happened and it wasn't the first or last time!

End of story: babies get sex changes, too!

Oh really, that's new to me, I feel sorry for this family.

 

[Kalista]

There are so much oppressed upon Deaf people. They couldnt drive, they couldnt get married, they couldnt have a decent job, they couldnt do a lot of things just because they are Deaf. Nonsense! We are human just like you. We are just seeing people.

Flowers," butterflies, rising sun, mountains and many other nature that does not make sound. Hearing people believe that we lack of something.

They decide to implant aiding device in head so they can hear something. Leave us alone. Please just let us use ASL in school. It is our native language. Please learn our language if you have a deaf child.

Do not force us to hear something that we will never be able to hear just like you do. Do not force us to talk. Using our hands is the best way to communicate.

 

[VamPyroX]

Mod Note:

Thread has been moved to correct forum.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

i disagree -- ive seen some parents make such BAD decisions on what to do with their child thinking its the "best" decision they have made :roll: its just flatly STUPID!!! i know a few ppl who have had CI done when they were still babies/toddlers and now their relationship with their parents are :thumbd: they dont have any respect for their folks, theyre angry at them for having them implanted while they were so young and they dont even wear their CIs anymore once they turned 18 -- so its $25k buckaroos down the drain -- all wasted for nothing really -- i would just wait and let the child make his/her informed decision after their own research and even asking other kids their age who already have CI and ask questions on their experiences and etc etc -- then if the kid is all for it then by all means i dont see anything wrong with having CI implanted as long as the child is INVOLVED in this big decision making process that CAN have a big impact on their lives!

I'm total agree with you & also Cheri, too.....
The parents decide all the time what they do the "best" for their children is a selfish. It look like they think they know better but never think how their children's feelings.
Yes, we as parents do made the mistakes sometimes. Nobody can't be prefect.
The children's opinions are right sometimes. I did admitted to my sons for my mistakes. They do the same to us, too. They lost their respect on you if you don't accept/support their wishes/decision/feeling etc

 

[Liebling:-)))]

For your information:
I'm very sad when I read the the Deaf news yesterday.
Now I'm going to ask you the question:
Did you know that over 100 of people died due to meningitis after CI operation? Well, there're also 3 small children died in Germany, too.
Would you accept the risk to implant your babies to small children like this?
Every doctors could be mistakes sometimes.
I feel that the parents who agree to implant the babies to small children are being brainwash by those doctors, scientist, media etc. The doctors only think their own interests to being well-known in the world, also of course, MONEY. They had been tried again with 2nd CI to improve old one (1st CI around 1970 to 1980) BUT what if they will try again with 3rd CI to improve more than 2nd one next time? Oh No! (Excuse me for open like this).

Please don't get me wrong. I'm not against CI but I strongly believe that the children & adults are the ONE who decide what they want. I would of agree to implant my child if he/she want it but I wouldn't do it tomorrow.
It take few years time to support my child's decision is take him/her to meet hearing, deaf & CI world until he/she learn what good or bad advantages etc. The children has the right to share their opinions with hearing, deaf or CI people which it's good for them to collect their own experience. I would support my children's choice/wish INSTEAD of wait until they are 18 years old.

Please don't insult CI people for liar etc BECAUSE they know through their OWN experience & their OWN feeling, not us. I received a lot of sad stories from CI people, too.

> How they had been forced to implant by their parents etc
> How the parents didn't accept their children's rejection for CI etc
> How they broke their contact with their parents for that etc.

They (CI) people have no reason to tell the lies how unhappy they are with CI etc.
Don't even say that the deaf is one who made a bad influence on people's decision over that CI because it's no true. Of course, there're many CI discussion here, too. Most of parents here regretted what they did their children. What a sad because they were being influence by doctors, etc, that how their children lost their respect for their parents!

I also received the reason why the children or adults decided to received the CI. I respect their decision because they are old enough to know what right etc.

One of mainly interesting stories:
A good friend of mine lost HOH to deaf few years ago but she rejected Doctor's recommend for CI operation for the reason:
At first we suggested her to do CI to hear again. She went to Doctor for the advice. She had the strange feeling when the doctor introduced her to 55 years old lady who just had CI operation. She listen a old lady's view over CI why she want etc after lost HOH to deaf. It put her off when a old lady told her that she is agreed to receive a CI with the recommend from doctor. She had the feeling that the doctor didn´t tell her the truth but only think his own interest & money. Her last word to him: "|Its understandable when the young children received the CI but old lady?"... The doctor didnt respond her question but just say: "it makes her happy to hear again". She went to Specialist for CI. They give her the honest answer what good or bad advantages etc. They support her decision for 6 months until she decided to not have an CI operation. Her parents also supported her decision, too. She have a wonderful relationship with her parents & siblings because she feel being love & respect by them. She is happy to live with hearing aid.
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I get well with CI people because they accept what I am as same as I accept what they are, too. It's no problem.
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That's all what I have in my opinion. I like to hear your opinion of disagree or agree etc. That´s okay because I like to collect your opinions too.
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To me, I'm proud to being deaf. I won't let anyone to make negatives over Deaf....

 

[Liebling:-)))]

P.S. The children has the right to say NO & can go to Youth Social Worker because of those children protection law. They are on the children´s side to against their parents´s decision. Super!!! As you see that alot of CI people had been suffered by their parent´s decision because they can´t accept their children´s wish.

I was told at few days ago that the Germans are going to fighting to ban for implant the babies to small children. I will vote for that. I pray that it´ll be successful....

 

[Angel]

P.S. The children has the right to say NO & can go to Youth Social Worker because of those children protection law. They are on the children´s side to against their parents´s decision. Super!!! As you see that alot of CI people had been suffered by their parent´s decision because they can´t accept their children´s will

Absolutely Correct!...

A baby or small child is unable to say ' NO ' for CI since they're not old enough to understand what their parents wants for them.....Like I said It's would be best if the child is old enough to make that choice when they do .. they are able to give their parents an answer of having a CI!...Sadly, they are uable to get a choice in this for themselves when they are just too little to understand...

Insend of the parents thinking ' Oh it would be best for my child because he/she can hear more , be able to talk , improving their speech, and having the best education etc.....Why not take a moment and think hard about this....Will it make the child happy later? Will the child approve this?...Will the child wear them when they grow up? so many questions and not knowing what the answer will be when the child grow up!....

 

[Roadrunner]

*ahems*...*checking the circle next to 'NO'*...I voted no because simply it's too early of an age for a child to be implanted with a Cochlear Implant even if the arguements might justify for the fact that the younger they are, that they may benefit at an early age by learning speech, adjusting to sounds, etc. better...YET, the real choice of the matter is simply that when a child is older such as 7 and up...WILL be able to better comprehend the ramifications of choosing CI or not...for it is THAT child whom will have to live with this surgery/procedure...

There are soooo many issues coming from both sides in references to CI...many of what we believe, know or what facts we have gathered...generally, it can be so easy to go to great lengths comparing this to that when we ALL can benefit from much information through many sources available such as the 'media'(internet sites, t.v. shows, magazines and books, etc.), friends, from people who have had CI's implanted, the medical field, etc. which we can be civilized and act accordingly for whatever anyone voices an opinion on the matter at hand by utilizing 'respect' and giving into considerations for however anyone may feel or expresses opinionated thoughts...creates a much more level of competence and harmony however any such ideas or thoughts that may not be in harmony with my(your) own reflections of what or how I(you) feel about this issue regarding CI's...in other words...I much rather uphold 'peacefulness' with others that might find my own opinion and take an arguementive stance on the issue...thus being 'neutral' when-ever it is neccessary to be so, because it IS the 'choice' of a child to make with the guidance and support of parent(s)....with all the useful information, ideas, etc. that they can obtain.

 

[Kalista]

P.S. The children has the right to say NO & can go to Youth Social Worker because of those children protection law. They are on the children´s side to against their parents´s decision. Super!!! As you see that alot of CI people had been suffered by their parent´s decision because they can´t accept their children´s wish.

I was told at few days ago that the Germans are going to fighting to ban for implant the babies to small children. I will vote for that. I pray that it´ll be successful....

Hope Germany's vote will pass !! Please keep us a posted !! I pray that America at FDA will change a new law too. We did speak up and protest in 1990 with FDA but they ignored our concern. They want to make million dollars to do cochlear implants on the children. Of course, I do respect for adult's decision but not the children even 18 old old. Oh please ! with the Government !

 

[Opal]

I am quite certain that I read somewhere - probably from the British Deaf magazines but not 100% that I read an article about deaf parents lose their custody right over their deaf son to the Department of Social Security for temporary, and they want to consider CI operation on this deaf son because he is belongs to the DSS, not parent's, and the parents are taking them to court to stop seeing it happen to their son!!

In this case, I feel sorry for this parents, because its double blow for them.
I am trying to find where I heard this news from, to show to you all.

 

[Deaf258]

I am quite certain that I read somewhere - probably from the British Deaf magazines but not 100% that I read an article about deaf parents lose their custody right over their deaf son to the Department of Social Security for temporary, and they want to consider CI operation on this deaf son because he is belongs to the DSS, not parent's, and the parents are taking them to court to stop seeing it happen to their son!!

In this case, I feel sorry for this parents, because its double blow for them.
I am trying to find where I heard this news from, to show to you all.

Didn't the SAME kind of case happened in USA in mid-2003??

 

[Liebling:-)))]

I am quite certain that I read somewhere - probably from the British Deaf magazines but not 100% that I read an article about deaf parents lose their custody right over their deaf son to the Department of Social Security for temporary, and they want to consider CI operation on this deaf son because he is belongs to the DSS, not parent's, and the parents are taking them to court to stop seeing it happen to their son!!

In this case, I feel sorry for this parents, because its double blow for them.
I am trying to find where I heard this news from, to show to you all.

What! I can't image because it belongs to children protection law.
I need a clear answer:
Question:
How old is the boy?
Did he want to have CI against his parent's decision?

Like what I said: Accord the children protection law the children has the right to say NO or YES against their parent's decision.

I would support my children from 7 years old with their decision/wish/choice

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Hope Germany's vote will pass !! Please keep us a posted !! I pray that America at FDA will change a new law too. We did speak up and protest in 1990 with FDA but they ignored our concern. They want to make million dollars to do cochlear implants on the children. Of course, I do respect for adult's decision but not the children even 18 old old. Oh please ! with the Government !

I will going to thread the forum as soon as I get an information here.

 

[Cheri]

I would support my children from 7 years old with their decision/wish/choice

I would too. My children Happiness is very important to me.

 

[deafdyke]

Personally, I believe these situations where kids turn against their parents for implanting them are usually caused by who?
Deaf Militants.

Banjo, I remember you said once that you were anti-CI b/c some of your friends had them (after hearing aids) and they liked hearing aids better.
Some of those situtons might be caused by Deaf militants but NOT ALL! Who knows? Maybe those implantees are angry b/c they were forced by parents to try to assilmulate in the hearing world.
Fly Free I totally agree with you too!!! There's nothing wrong with implanting kids who get little to no benifit from aids (kids with deep profound loss, kids with auditory nereopathy) ...However, I am concerned about the implant all deaf kids mentailty that is out there! There are kids who are getting implanted who get A TON of benifit from traditional hearing aids. (can hear over half of what's said) I think in the case of good hearing aid usage, the parents REALLY need to WAIT until the kid's old enough to decide on their OWN about implantation.

 

[Banjo]

Banjo, I remember you said once that you were anti-CI b/c some of your friends had them (after hearing aids) and they liked hearing aids better.

You see, that's what I was told by them. Till before I graduated, I asked them to be honest.

They admitted that they like cochlear implants better. I asked them why they didn't say that before.

They said that they don't like the attitudes they get from many Deaf folks. That was what gave me a whole new perceptive on the technology. Honestly, I wouldn't blame them for being afraid to admit it, after all I have seen so much hostility toward them at the school.

Sad, I know.

 

[Fly Free]

Doctors in this case play God, well they are not God and just because they go to medical school does not mean they know everything or know what is best. They will tell you not to teach your child sign language because it is a crutch, well they are wrong..Teaching your child sign lang. will help them to communicate better without getting frustrated that they cannot speak or get their point across. These parents not only need to look up info on the Internet which will be almost all positive info but they need to speak with deaf people as well as learn deaf culture, what the deaf people have been through to get where they are today...If you are deaf you can go to school you can get a job you can achieve anything a hearing person can. Being deaf is not an embarrassment, and does not mean that you are not normal. It means you cherish life and instead of hearing with your ears you hear visually. and if they feel that CI is best for them when they grow up They have the right to make that Choice. I have nothing against CI I have something Against Parents who made their child/children the different way getting them CI when they don't know if that is what the child wants or not.

exactly my thoughts Cheri!!!! well said!

 

[Fly Free]

I have been profoundly d/Deaf since birth, I speak very well, I read many college level books and novels, and I didn't need a CI to get thru life. From the arguments I am reading on Cochlear Implant threads and from arguments from Pro-CI people, I am deeply offended that the implications are I am not good enough of a person and a fucktard for not having a CI.! I even had a friend come up to me a month ago with the nerve to tell me if I do not agree with him on issues with cochlear implants, I am no longer his friend. That was so fucked up!

Despite the differences between everyone, if you let CIs get in the way of respect and friendship towards other people, you need to get your head examined!!!

Deaf258 -- u have made a valid point!!!!