CI is Advanced Hearing Aid?

[deafdyke]

Sorry my bad. I should have worded it differently. What I meant is that both create ACCESS to sound for dhh folks.
They both allow dhh people some accessibilty to sound.

Also, when you realize how CIs can be programed to reduce and/or eliminate background noises, to focus on speech, etc. then you begin to realize how markedly different a CI is from a HA

Digital hearing aids can do that too rick.

 

[rick48]

Outcomes are still the same. The variance is in degree.

So too would be sticking a paper cone in one's ear, if you choose to reduce it to such a simplistic level.

Why not listen to those who have actually used both and who consistently tell us that there is a difference or is arguing for the sake of arguing what you are really doing?

 

[deafdyke]

Rick, why are you delibratly antagonizing us?
We are saying that in the case of two different people who each use either a CI or a hearing aid, the hearing end out come can be very simlair.

 

[vallee]

Rick, why are you delibratly antagonizing us?
We are saying that in the case of two different people who each use either a CI or a hearing aid, the hearing end out come can be very simlair.

It is not the same. I have used both and it is not even close to being the same. The sound quality, the clarity, and the crisp sounds are not the same. When I wore hearing aids I was in PAIN. I don't have any pain from wearing CIs.

All the others have explained the tech part of the difference. That in itself states they are not even close to being alike. The outcome is not the same either. The only part is they provide hearing in completely different ways.

With hearing aids the more you used them the chance the residual hearing will be damaged from use. With Cochlear implants the more you use them the better your clarity and discrimation of hearing sounds increases. You can train your ear to understand and develop hearing. You can't do that with a hearing aid.

 

[Cloggy]

Always good to hear from the REAL experts.

 

[jillio]

So too would be sticking a paper cone in one's ear, if you choose to reduce it to such a simplistic level.

Why not listen to those who have actually used both and who consistently tell us that there is a difference or is arguing for the sake of arguing what you are really doing?

Because looking at outcomes is not simplistic, rick. And I do listen to those who have used both, unlike you who refuses to accept that the majority of CI users still require considerable visual information in various situations.

What the experiences of those who have used both tell me, and anyone who is capable of critical thought, is that the variance is in degree, not intended outcome.

 

[jillio]

It is not the same. I have used both and it is not even close to being the same. The sound quality, the clarity, and the crisp sounds are not the same. When I wore hearing aids I was in PAIN. I don't have any pain from wearing CIs.

All the others have explained the tech part of the difference. That in itself states they are not even close to being alike. The outcome is not the same either. The only part is they provide hearing in completely different ways.

With hearing aids the more you used them the chance the residual hearing will be damaged from use. With Cochlear implants the more you use them the better your clarity and discrimation of hearing sounds increases. You can train your ear to understand and develop hearing. You can't do that with a hearing aid.

And the outcome is still improved sound perception. The intended outcome for any devise is improved sound perception. Onced again, the variance is in degree, and dependent upon the individual response.

 

[TechBill]

The topic is "CI is Advanced Hearing Aid? " and the answer is no CI is not advanced hearing aid. CI is a very different advanced techology but no where near to what hearing aid techology are.

In the post she mentioned that the hearing outcome can be simlar. While both devices do are inteaded for assisting in hearing sounds but the outcome of hearing the sounds are not simlar.

CI is much more potent and powerful than a hearing aid can ever can be in assisting anyone in hearing sounds. There will never be a hearing aids designed that now or in future that could reach to the level where CI are now because it the limitation of your hair cells in your cochlear unless someone found a way to restore or regenate those hair cells in future.

Some of the posts in this thread can be misleading or worded in a way and I don't want anyone reading thinking "CI is just another advance powerful hearing aid" when that is not true to begin with.



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[Boult]

Because looking at outcomes is not simplistic, rick. And I do listen to those who have used both, unlike you who refuses to accept that the majority of CI users still require considerable visual information in various situations.

What the experiences of those who have used both tell me, and anyone who is capable of critical thought, is that the variance is in degree, not intended outcome.

Is it necessary to subtly insult Rick in your last sentence? He's capable of critical thought! You have been reported.

And the outcome is still improved sound perception. The intended outcome for any devise is improved sound perception. Onced again, the variance is in degree, and dependent upon the individual response.

HA does not improve sound perception. It only amplify the sound and it does not equalize all frequencies. Missing frequencies are not heard or lower. Because HA do not make all cillia even. HA just work the ear system harder. It's like standing right in front of a band's speaker. still distorted.

CI is whole different world. It replace the function of outer, middle and part of inner ear. CI do not touch cillia area at all and does not make cillia move. Digitized sounds are sent directly to brian via 8th cranial nerves inside the cochlea.

In the beginning, some of us, CI users could "hear" the sound at foot or body or arm till it is finally in the ear area. What I mean is tingling sensation because brain is adjusting. That's different from HA because sound is pounding against the eardrum!

With HA you compensate the missing frequency by training to close the gap. With CI you don't need to compensate that anymore because you hear all the frequencies across the board. So sound perception from both are not the same! Sound perception from CI is greatly enhanced while HA's are not, just amplified.

End of discussion.