CI--Deaf or Hearing?

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posts from hell said:
Im seriously thinkin of running. But it would take some underhanded tactics. (Think FDR.)
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Go for it. There is no way my mile-long rap sheet would allow me a ghost of a chance in winning. :giggle:
 
Beowulf said:
Hmmm. I didn't see much signing by the students in the film. Could it be like CID, where they claim to allow signing, but really don't?
Maybe I got it wrong. Anyone here went to the Ohio School for the Deaf? What's the story?
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I live about 45 minutes from them and interviewed students there for my dissertation. My son played soccer against them, and alll the students I have had any contact with are signers. I currently have a client that graduated from OSD, and she is strong ASL.
 
jillio said:
I live about 45 minutes from them and interviewed students there for my dissertation. My son played soccer against them, and alll the students I have had any contact with are signers. I currently have a client that graduated from OSD, and she is strong ASL.
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Ahhh, I see. I do not mind being wrong if it means good news for deafies. :giggle:
 
GrendelQ said:
:laugh2: I suppose you are being tongue in cheek to drive a few who have been having at you over the edge, but I don't see there being any 'catastrophe' in my impending 'regression'.

If you are referring to the following contradiction from this morning, in her defense, I suspect Jillio was just a bit sleepy when trying to make her argument against there being such a thing. From the past few pages, I'd guess she believes in the concept, but hasn't decided if it's a good thing or a bad thing to be a Deaf militant.





I'll have to put some thought into remedying the toe nail issue.
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My decision regarding the feasibility of being a Deaf militant was decided long ago. It is most definately a good thing for the Deaf.

If you will scroll back and read my reply in its entirety, I have already explained why I did not capitalize in the first post you are referencing. It had virtually nothing to do with wakefulness or sleepiness. :roll:
 
Beowulf said:
Ahhh, I see. I do not mind being wrong if it means good news for deafies. :giggle:
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Yeah, me either!:P

Unfortunately, schools are also caving to the pressure of hearing parents of CI users to use a more orally focused program and speech as the language of instruction. Someone earlier mentioned regression...this is definately a regression.
 
jillio said:
And again, that is far too inclusive, thus rendering the original question you asked moot.
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I guess that's just a difference in how we look at things. I like being inclusive vs. excluding or dividing groups. If I were to limit the scope in which I think an effective Deaf militant -- the kind that Beo and I have described -- can operate, I think we'd be losing the kind of reach we're looking for. So, for example, if you want me to say this person can only have a role within the Deaf community, we lose that legislative access Beo described, we lose the outreach role. If only in Hearing society, we love the ability to build a groundswell, to mobilize resources and powerful Deaf people.
 
GrendelQ said:
Yes, TC, I think, but they are observing TLC's bi-bi approach, which may mean impending changes.

Edit: actually, looks like Bott's right, may be full ASL, not TC.
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While they are strongly ASL, they also lean more toward TC than bi-bi. With the current administration, however, this may be soon changing. They will not hire an employee who does not have fluent ASL skills and a strong foundation in Deaf culture.
 
GrendelQ said:
I guess that's just a difference in how we look at things. I like being inclusive vs. excluding or dividing groups. If I were to limit the scope in which I think an effective Deaf militant -- the kind that Beo and I have described -- can operate, I think we'd be losing the kind of reach we're looking for. So, for example, if you want me to say this person can only have a role within the Deaf community, we lose that legislative access Beo described, we lose the outreach role. If only in Hearing society, we love the ability to build a groundswell, to mobilize resources and powerful Deaf people.
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You appear to be a tad bit confused regarding what Beo is describing and refering to.

It appears you overlooked a question: since your daughter's school is expanding and growing, do you have any numbers regarding increased enrollment over the past few years and/or retention numbers?

And yes, we definately see things differently. I approach these issues from the perspective the Deaf have taught me to use for their benefit.
 
jillio said:
You would have my support.
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And mine as well.
I keep thinking the words


Give me some men
Who are stout-hearted men
Who will fight for the right they adore.
Start me with ten
Who are stout-hearted men
And I'll soon give you ten thousand more.
 
Beowulf said:
And mine as well.
I keep thinking the words


Give me some men
Who are stout-hearted men
Who will fight for the right they adore.
Start me with ten
Who are stout-hearted men
And I'll soon give you ten thousand more.
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Very appropriate. A stout heart and courage of conviction is what we need in a politacal Deaf militant. Or any Deaf militant, for that matter. One effective leader, and the Deaf community would rise up and follow. The time is really ripe for change.
 
GrendelQ said:
I guess that's just a difference in how we look at things. I like being inclusive vs. excluding or dividing groups. If I were to limit the scope in which I think an effective Deaf militant -- the kind that Beo and I have described -- can operate, I think we'd be losing the kind of reach we're looking for. So, for example, if you want me to say this person can only have a role within the Deaf community, we lose that legislative access Beo described, we lose the outreach role. If only in Hearing society, we love the ability to build a groundswell, to mobilize resources and powerful Deaf people.
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I agree with this too. Inclusiveness nearly always works better than exclusiveness, especially if what you want to do is make changes in the greater society for the benefit of a small number of people within that larger society.

As someone pointed out, there are no (profoundly) deaf members of Congress, yet the ADA was passed that required captioning and other services. We have CCs today because of the hard work of a lot of hearing people who made it happen.

Right now, there is a lawyer out in one of the western states - Colorado, I think - who is practically a one-man band in terms of bringing suits against the major motion picture distributors to get captions more widely available in movies.

Deaf, hoh, and small-d deaf - and even many hearing - will benefit from accommodations put into place due to the efforts of people all working toward that common goal.

I don't see the point in continually emphasizing the slicing and dicing of the "just exactly how Deaf ARE you?" perspective. No one is entirely divorced from the society at large. Changes can't happen without getting the support of influential people in government, education, all the spheres that affect daily life.
 
Beach girl said:
I agree with this too. Inclusiveness nearly always works better than exclusiveness, especially if what you want to do is make changes in the greater society for the benefit of a small number of people within that larger society.

As someone pointed out, there are no (profoundly) deaf members of Congress, yet the ADA was passed that required captioning and other services. We have CCs today because of the hard work of a lot of hearing people who made it happen.

Right now, there is a lawyer out in one of the western states - Colorado, I think - who is practically a one-man band in terms of bringing suits against the major motion picture distributors to get captions more widely available in movies.

Deaf, hoh, and small-d deaf - and even many hearing - will benefit from accommodations put into place due to the efforts of people all working toward that common goal.

I don't see the point in continually emphasizing the slicing and dicing of the "just exactly how Deaf ARE you?" perspective. No one is entirely divorced from the society at large. Changes can't happen without getting the support of influential people in government, education, all the spheres that affect daily life.
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Closed Captioning was made for by the NAD and before the ADA.
 
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