CI--Deaf or Hearing?

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Grummer said:
jill, can you please interpret drphil's swimming/music problems i have NO fucking idea what's he's saying! really weird writing, i understand Travis's better, and he used bugger-all English grammar, sometimes like, in this instance, English Grammar is actually UNHELPFUL , and worse than ASL's word-syntaxial grammar (made up syntaxial as im tring to verbal-ise that word)
yup it seem he doesnt get it, but whats the hell is he saying?:eek3:
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Just put him on ignore. I can't stand trying to decipher travis' posts either so I put him on ignore. That way you can have less frustration.
 
Grummer said:
jill, can you please interpret drphil's swimming/music problems i have NO fucking idea what's he's saying! really weird writing, i understand Travis's better, and he used bugger-all English grammar, sometimes like, in this instance, English Grammar is actually UNHELPFUL , and worse than ASL's word-syntaxial grammar (made up syntaxial as im tring to verbal-ise that word)
yup it seem he doesnt get it, but whats the hell is he saying?:eek3:
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what you said you are serious! No idea point! what is you think so

no sense I am serious you, huh what you said talkt about to interpreter swimming/ musin unfortunately you know my personal
you are poin my native language asl complication I can do it communication lots of English, I am lots of communication! I can't remember my mind you don't can't help me ! I am serious you not believe it!, Sometimes people confused, or your aware, education shut down is college is very lay out interpreter i can pissed off Education because closed on education because reason not enough understand on education student!
 
stop it your play think your! you I am serious! you are not respect to me I am very aware it you dont' believe play games if you suppose hurt your feeling apology will!

many people confused Deaf Cultures and keep going focus effort to education improve your role! It is very many time I don't like who is prove person untwist how do you think on me who is ignored!
 
Grummer said:
jill, can you please interpret drphil's swimming/music problems i have NO fucking idea what's he's saying! really weird writing, i understand Travis's better, and he used bugger-all English grammar, sometimes like, in this instance, English Grammar is actually UNHELPFUL , and worse than ASL's word-syntaxial grammar (made up syntaxial as im tring to verbal-ise that word)
yup it seem he doesnt get it, but whats the hell is he saying?:eek3:
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In reality, he is saying absolutely nothing. He is just stringing words together. His "deaf swimming" reference is when he goes swimming and removes his CI he is left in silence. Silence = deafness to him. He denigrates anything to do with cultural concerns, and believes because he has read one book on cultural concerns, which he obviously did not understand, he is some sort of an expert. His reference to Alice in Wonderland is what he thinks is a cute way of saying Deaf Culture is a fantasy. He is just a crotchety old man that is more impressed with himself that anyone else is.
 
smithtr said:
what you said you are serious! No idea point! what is you think so

no sense I am serious you, huh what you said talkt about to interpreter swimming/ musin unfortunately you know my personal
you are poin my native language asl complication I can do it communication lots of English, I am lots of communication! I can't remember my mind you don't can't help me ! I am serious you not believe it!, Sometimes people confused, or your aware, education shut down is college is very lay out interpreter i can pissed off Education because closed on education because reason not enough understand on education student!
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It's okay, Travis. Grummer wasn't insulting you. He was just saying that drphil was harder to understand because his posts don't make sense, but that yours make sense when seen in ASL syntax.
 
The Doctors implanted on me despite KNOWING I also had nerve damage loss--the implant doesn't help nerve damage so the implant does not work proper as with other people with only cochlea damage.
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ummm, simplifying it- cochlea actually is a part of inner ear that has a tiny hair that carry the sound to the auditory nerve which
when damaged, the resulted hearing loss is called sensori neural hearing loss.
A Pictorial Guide to the Cochlear Fluids

Sensory (say: sen-suh-ree) hearing loss. This happens when the cochlea is not working correctly because the tiny hair cells are damaged or destroyed.

Neural (say: nur-ul) hearing loss. This happens when there is a problem with the connection from the cochlea to the brain. Neural means related to nerve, so neural hearing loss means the nerve that carries the messages from the cochlea to the brain is damaged.

What's Hearing Loss?

this is the type of hearing loss that cochlear implant are used for.

The cochlear implant is designed for patients with sensorineural hearing loss that have failed conventional treatment including medications and hearing aids. Sensorineural hearing loss is a specific type of hearing loss, defined as any abnormality of the inner ear or auditory nerve that prevents transfer of electrical signals to the auditory nucleus (the brain's center for hearing).

Cochlear Implant

So you are mistaken thinking the doctors were wrong.
They were quite correct.


Fuzzy
 
A My friend who is a well known actress in the Deaf community...strong culturally Deaf is in a serious relationship with a CI user.
 
Audiofuzzy said:
ummm, simplifying it- cochlea actually is a part of inner ear that has a tiny hair that carry the sound to the auditory nerve which
when damaged, the resulted hearing loss is called sensori neural hearing loss.
A Pictorial Guide to the Cochlear Fluids

Sensory (say: sen-suh-ree) hearing loss. This happens when the cochlea is not working correctly because the tiny hair cells are damaged or destroyed.

Neural (say: nur-ul) hearing loss. This happens when there is a problem with the connection from the cochlea to the brain. Neural means related to nerve, so neural hearing loss means the nerve that carries the messages from the cochlea to the brain is damaged.

What's Hearing Loss?

this is the type of hearing loss that cochlear implant are used for.

The cochlear implant is designed for patients with sensorineural hearing loss that have failed conventional treatment including medications and hearing aids. Sensorineural hearing loss is a specific type of hearing loss, defined as any abnormality of the inner ear or auditory nerve that prevents transfer of electrical signals to the auditory nucleus (the brain's center for hearing).

Cochlear Implant

So you are mistaken thinking the doctors were wrong.
They were quite correct.


Fuzzy
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What is your source?

I am not going to debate what my audiologist told me for something some average Joe could post on the internet.

The implant does NOT replace the nerve, only the cochlea.
 
What is your source?
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???

I just stated my sources ???

In many cases of sensorineural hearing loss, the problem is due to hair cell damage. However, a significant number of auditory nerve fibers are still functional. Since the cochlear implant sends an electrical signal that stimulates the nerve fibers directly, bypassing the inner ear, these patients may perceive sound with the implant despite the damage in the inner ear.

Cochlear Implant

So, even if you have some nerve damage, that doesn't automatically mean you have them damaged 100%.
If you have some working left, there is a chance a CI will help you with what's left.


Granted:
In many forms of sensorineural deafness, the status of the auditory nerve fibers is unknown. In such cases, it can be difficult to predict the potential benefit of receiving a cochlear implant.

just as I was saying all along - CI is for sensori-neural HA loss which includes
both cochlea and also a nerve damage.



Fuzzy
 
She was saying "Deaf people shun these who have a CI." Then Aaron says "Yo, I have CI's."
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I wish we could get rid of the myth that we are anti CI/anti hoh. Besides there are still significent numbers of kids who can't get to hoh listening levels with CIs.
 
Besides there are still significent numbers of kids who can't get to hoh listening levels with CIs
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what's your point, though?

Fuzzy
 
correct! You can have SOME nerve damage and have success with the CI--it depends how badly the nerve is damaged. In my case, the nerve gets worse so eventually the CI will be of no use--when the nerve is no more use.

The CI stimulates the Nerve which for some people can work well even with the nerve damage, but if the nerve is not that functional the CI will not help.

If doctors know this they should not go ahead with implant for such individual--my opinion.
 
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deafdyke said:
She was saying "Deaf people shun these who have a CI." Then Aaron says "Yo, I have CI's."
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I wish we could get rid of the myth that we are anti CI/anti hoh. Besides there are still significent numbers of kids who can't get to hoh listening levels with CIs.
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this is false. The kids may not understand spoken language through listening alone (it does happen, but with proper follow up is rare) but they still will hear at less than 25 db. That would be aided to "normal hearing" levels.
 
My thoughts are that a person with a CI is still d/Deaf- with or without the CI on. Of course many do receive auditory benefit from the CI, but they are still deaf.
 
faire_jour said:
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this is false. The kids may not understand spoken language through listening alone (it does happen, but with proper follow up is rare) but they still will hear at less than 25 db. That would be aided to "normal hearing" levels.
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so "normal hearing" levels = "may not understand spoken language through listening alone"..... Sounds like a myth to me.
 
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faire_jour said:
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this is false. The kids may not understand spoken language through listening alone (it does happen, but with proper follow up is rare) but they still will hear at less than 25 db. That would be aided to "normal hearing" levels.
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so "normal hearing" levels = "may not understand spoken language through listening alone"..... Sounds like a myth to me.
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to have hearing within normal limits is simply the ability to hear the tones from 250 hz to 6000 hz at 20 db. It has absolutely nothing to do with spoken language. It is about the ability to hear absense or presence of sound.
 
faire_jour said:
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to have hearing within normal limits is simply the ability to hear the tones from 250 hz to 6000 hz at 20 db. It has absolutely nothing to do with spoken language. It is about the ability to hear absense or presence of sound.
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So normal hearing people are required to lip read too? I didnt know that.
 
If doctors know this they should not go ahead with implant for such individual--my opinion.
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Are you a medical doctor? do you have enough of medical qualification/knowledge to determine what's suitable or not in such cases?


Fuzzy
 
Audiofuzzy said:
Are you a medical doctor? do you have enough of medical qualification/knowledge to determine what's suitable or not in such cases?


Fuzzy
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Considering she is a person stuck with an implant that won't work because of the nerve, she probably should be entitled to her opinion!
 
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