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[jackiesolorzano]

As an oral teacher of deaf and a parent of 2 deaf teenagers. I have seen almost every program available in southern California. There very very few true TC classes in southern California. Just because they call their class TC does not mean that they are. In most of the TC classes there is no oral language going on or very little. Maybe if there were more true TC classes parents would feel more comfortable placing them in a TC class. I am not sure how it is elsewhere but that is the way it is here.

 

[jillio]

As an oral teacher of deaf and a parent of 2 deaf teenagers. I have seen almost every program available in southern California. There very very few true TC classes in southern California. Just because they call their class TC does not mean that they are. In most of the TC classes there is no oral language going on or very little. Maybe if there were more true TC classes parents would feel more comfortable placing them in a TC class. I am not sure how it is elsewhere but that is the way it is here.

That's funny. Because all of the studies I have seen say just the opposite--that it is the signed language that suffers inh a TC class because they are mostly taught by hearing teachers who are more comfortable with spoken language, and therefore, use sign only intermittently. And these are the studies that brought about a change in philosophy from TC to Bi-Bi.

 

[R2D2]

That's funny. Because all of the studies I have seen say just the opposite--that it is the signed language that suffers inh a TC class because they are mostly taught by hearing teachers who are more comfortable with spoken language, and therefore, use sign only intermittently. And these are the studies that brought about a change in philosophy from TC to Bi-Bi.

I can imagine in a TC environment that neither oral and sign skills develop particularly well in children as neither mode of communication is used in a very natural or fluent manner.

 

[jillio]

I can imagine in a TC environment that neither oral and sign skills develop particularly well in children as neither mode of communication is used in a very natural or fluent manner.

That would depend upon how the program is set up. But the majority don't really provide fluency. In theory, it should work very well, but in practice, the philosophy underlying becomes distorted. That is why the push is now more for a bi-bi environment.

 

[shel90]

As an oral teacher of deaf and a parent of 2 deaf teenagers. I have seen almost every program available in southern California. There very very few true TC classes in southern California. Just because they call their class TC does not mean that they are. In most of the TC classes there is no oral language going on or very little. Maybe if there were more true TC classes parents would feel more comfortable placing them in a TC class. I am not sure how it is elsewhere but that is the way it is here.

Maybe it is cuz the teachers in the TC programs are trying to meet the children's needs not the parents' needs? Gosh, if the students there were unable to rely on spoken language only, of course a good teacher would switch to a visual language to ensure that the children dont fall behind in language development. Is that the reason or is there another reason?

 

[jillio]

Maybe it is cuz the teachers in the TC programs are trying to meet the children's needs not the parents' needs? Gosh, if the students there were unable to rely on spoken language only, of course a good teacher would switch to a visual language to ensure that the children dont fall behind in language development. Is that the reason or is there another reason?

Excellent point.

 

[jackiesolorzano]

That's funny. Because all of the studies I have seen say just the opposite--that it is the signed language that suffers inh a TC class because they are mostly taught by hearing teachers who are more comfortable with spoken language, and therefore, use sign only intermittently. And these are the studies that brought about a change in philosophy from TC to Bi-Bi.

I have not read any of these studies you mention, so you are probable right. What I am saying is the programs that I have observed in southern California it is the other way around. There is barely any oral language. I would love to find a true TC program out here. If you know of any please let me know I would love to observe them.

 

[jackiesolorzano]

Maybe it is cuz the teachers in the TC programs are trying to meet the children's needs not the parents' needs? Gosh, if the students there were unable to rely on spoken language only, of course a good teacher would switch to a visual language to ensure that the children dont fall behind in language development. Is that the reason or is there another reason?

I really don't know what the reason is. But what I do know is parents looking for a TC program would also like to see the teachers trying to develop oral language as well as developing the child sign language abilities.

 

[shel90]

I really don't know what the reason is. But what I do know is parents looking for a TC program would also like to see the teachers trying to develop oral language as well as developing the child sign language abilities.

Well..sometimes the parents have to have faith in their children. If their child really has the motivation to learn oral language, their child will. Also..why cant they be the models for oral language at home?

 

[jillio]

Well..sometimes the parents have to have faith in their children. If their child really has the motivation to learn oral language, their child will. Also..why cant they be the models for oral language at home?

Yeppers!