Children who have been implanted are not going to be part of the deaf community?

[Audiofuzzy]

Okay, I'll change how I write better next time and add the word term of "some" or "most" is that okay? just for you., but for everyone else they can just kiss my ass. j/k

actually you should ALWAYS care what and how you write because when you are not specific this is exactly what causes troubles among members.
I too think when you write just "hearing parents" you mean ALL parents, because this is what the standard English implies.


Fuzzy

 

[Audiofuzzy]

Most members here understood question one, but you. Interesting.

You mean- most deaf members...
and if you care for my answer, then please rephrase the question.


Fuzzy

 

[Cheri]

You mean- most deaf members...
and if you care for my answer, then please rephrase the question.


Fuzzy

No, I said most members. (do not twisted my words around understood?)

Jillio is not deaf, rockdrummer is not deaf. They both are hearing.

 

[Sunshine1]

Right On!!!

Hey, hey, troll; all you had to do was read the great communication between Cheri and Rockdrummer so that you would not have to come here and goad people! The answer (Cheri/Rockdrummer) is right there BIG AS LIFE but, no, you just had to come in with your blunderbuss and make us all go several steps back instead of forward.

 

[Angel]

Hey, hey, troll; all you had to do was read the great communication between Cheri and Rockdrummer so that you would not have to come here and goad people! The answer (Cheri/Rockdrummer) is right there BIG AS LIFE but, no, you just had to come in with your blunderbuss and make us all go several steps back instead of forward.

Thank you Tousi!!..

 

[shel90]

I will answer these questions when I am more clear-minded.

 

[shel90]

You mean- most deaf members...
and if you care for my answer, then please rephrase the question.


Fuzzy

How is that relevant whether the members are deaf or not?

 

[shel90]

Hey, hey, troll; all you had to do was read the great communication between Cheri and Rockdrummer so that you would not have to come here and goad people! The answer (Cheri/Rockdrummer) is right there BIG AS LIFE but, no, you just had to come in with your blunderbuss and make us all go several steps back instead of forward.

It is getting ridiculous..all these goading games. It is pointless...

 

[Audiofuzzy]

Deaf members - and especially those who know ASL - get the different syntax. Easily.
Like you, for example, wasn't that you Shel who was able on occasion to translate posts which were written in ASL syntax into standard English for those who didn't understood them?

I don't know about Rockdrummer and others, but jillio knows ASL so she could figure the question out. I don't know ASL, so I can't.


If I am not mistaken I was told to "ASK US, IF YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND".
So I asked, and in return was called troll? How nice, how respectful. This is the deaf way of respecting others, right?
Another thing - I was accused of not caring of anybody's POV but mine own.
I don't see anybody's interested in learning MY POV here - I don't see the question being rephrased so I could reply.


Fuzzy

 

[SxyPorkie]

Hey, hey, troll; all you had to do was read the great communication between Cheri and Rockdrummer so that you would not have to come here and goad people! The answer (Cheri/Rockdrummer) is right there BIG AS LIFE but, no, you just had to come in with your blunderbuss and make us all go several steps back instead of forward.

I agree with you about that lady....

 

[Cheri]

- I don't see the question being rephrased so I could reply.

I did rephrased on post number 5, again you couldn't understand for the second time, I'll say this one more time...because I'm nicer than you ever will be to me.

"What do you say about those hearing parents who do not exposed their implanted child into the deaf world to meet with other deaf children, and not being able to learn and use sign language with their implanted child."

 

[deafskeptic]

Deaf members - and especially those who know ASL - get the different syntax. Easily.
Like you, for example, wasn't that you Shel who was able on occasion to translate posts which were written in ASL syntax into standard English for those who didn't understood them?



Fuzzy

Fuzzy, I've never pretended to be really fluent in ASL and I should point out that many d/Deaf did not learn ASL until after they became adults. So how could be ASL be a factor in their writings? Cheri has been pointing that out to you too.

It's very clear to most posters that English is my first langauge so ASL isn't a factor in my writing even though I'm weak in both spelling and puncuation.

 

[shel90]

Deaf members - and especially those who know ASL - get the different syntax. Easily.
Like you, for example, wasn't that you Shel who was able on occasion to translate posts which were written in ASL syntax into standard English for those who didn't understood them? I don't know about Rockdrummer and others, but jillio knows ASL so she could figure the question out. I don't know ASL, so I can't.


If I am not mistaken I was told to "ASK US, IF YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND".
So I asked, and in return was called troll? How nice, how respectful. This is the deaf way of respecting others, right?
Another thing - I was accused of not caring of anybody's POV but mine own.
I don't see anybody's interested in learning MY POV here - I don't see the question being rephrased so I could reply.


Fuzzy

Due to having so much on my mind lately, I cant recall translating for anyone here on AD. Most of the member's writings are not following the syntax of ASL anyway.

 

[Cheri]

Deaf members - and especially those who know ASL - get the different syntax. Easily.

I don't know about Rockdrummer and others, but jillio knows ASL so she could figure the question out. I don't know ASL, so I can't.

If you say this one more time about my grammar written, I swear may God help me, I would not be very kind to you at all. I've had it up here with you already. And I would not even care if I get banned for this either, because I've had enough of your drama.

 

[Audiofuzzy]

One don't have to be fluent to get the gist. And I don't know ASL none, period.

"What do you say about those hearing parents who do not exposed their implanted child into the deaf world to meet with other deaf children, and not being able to learn and use sign language with their implanted child."

Okay, now I get it. Thanks.

I would say it depends on situation. If you implanted your child early with CI, your priority is to achieve the best results from implanting because time matters very very much with learning to hear and speak.
There will always be time to join deaf community and learn ASL.

Those parents who does not implant their children but keep a deaf child from the deaf community and ASL - they should include that for the child as early as possible.

Fuzzy

 

[jillio]

actually you should ALWAYS care what and how you write because when you are not specific this is exactly what causes troubles among members.
I too think when you write just "hearing parents" you mean ALL parents, because this is what the standard English implies.


Fuzzy

No it isn't.

 

[jillio]

Due to having so much on my mind lately, I cant recall translating for anyone here on AD. Most of the member's writings are not following the syntax of ASL anyway.

*noding*We only have a couple of posters that follow ASL syntax.

 

[deafskeptic]

If you say this one more time about my grammar written, I swear may God help me, I would not be very kind to you at all. I've had it up here with you already. And I would not even care if I get banned for this either, because I've had enough of your drama.

Cheri's post illustrates why it's best not to critize other d/Deaf's grammar - or for that matter hearing's people grammer as well. I belong to a forum that isnt' deaf related; one hearing man likes to nitpick other people's grammer and no one really likes that. It's rude and you have to consider that other people have feelings as well.

 

[deafdyke]

Hey the grammar here isn't too bad. Even a lot of oral kids have difficulty with expressing themselves though writing. ALL it is, is the fact that many deafies approach English as a SECOND language. Look at posts made by people who speak English as a second language. You'll see the exact same syntaxial and grammartical errors.

If you implanted your child early with CI, your priority is to achieve the best results from implanting because time matters very very much with learning to hear and speak.
There will always be time to join deaf community and learn ASL.

Yes, it's important for a kid to get good training in learning how to hear and speak................but what if the kid doesn't have a flair for speech? Then you've got a kid who is SEVERELY language delayed. All the pro oral advocates make it seem like ALL dhh kids speak the "Queen's English"......but if that's true then how come a lot of kids are still in speech therapy for language issues? How come oral kids aren't great at English?

 

[deafskeptic]

Yes, it's important for a kid to get good training in learning how to hear and speak................but what if the kid doesn't have a flair for speech? Then you've got a kid who is SEVERELY language delayed. All the pro oral advocates make it seem like ALL dhh kids speak the "Queen's English"......but if that's true then how come a lot of kids are still in speech therapy for language issues? How come oral kids aren't great at English?

Excellent point, DD.

Yes, I agree training is good for learning to hear and speak with CIs. I have seen too many kids who could hear and speak with HAs and even pass for hearing at first glance but had serious language problems hence why I favor Bi-Bi.

Based on my limited experince with both late deafened and those who were implanted young, the CI does help with sound perceptions but you still have to prevent language delays. From what I've seen of some late deafened - if not all of them - they do still need aids like captioning, relay (in some cases if not all cases) and other aids so this suggests to me there are still some gaps in sound perception with the implant. This implies that you still have to work to prevent language delays in very young children.